> mac os is absolutely awful. I have no idea how people use mac.

I hear this from a lot of people when they get their first Mac. When they get specific about what their issues are, it tends to be that macOS doesn't do a thing how they are used to doing it, which is more of a learning curve issue, or rigid thinking. Apple software can be quite opinionated, those who fight against those opinions tend to have a hard time. This is true of any opinionated software.

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BeetleB 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Apple software can be quite opinionated, those who fight against those opinions tend to have a hard time. This is true of any opinionated software.

And this is why many like me prefer Linux. We have our own opinions, and Linux enables us to enforce our opinions.

I've been a Linux guy for 25 years, and used Windows at work for the last 15. I now have to use MacOS at work.

I miss Windows. It wasn't totally better, but I managed to overcome most Windows headaches with workarounds. I haven't found the alternatives yet to MacOS.

From my perspective, both Windows and MacOS suck - but in different ways. I think the problem many Linux folks have with MacOS is that it is the "uncanny valley" of Linux. You get happy that you can use your usual UNIX flows, and then you find out that you can't.

I really want a good tiling window manager. I have yet to find one on MacOS that has the features AwesomeWM have.

It really sucks not being able to rebind keys to use Ctrl instead of Cmd in many apps. For basic tasks (opening/closing browser tabs), I have to use one set of keys in the daytime (at work), and another at night (at home). Why won't MacOS let me change them?

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morshu9001 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Most of the stuff isn't really personal preference, more like being temporarily used to a different way.

Btw search "modifier keys" in Mac sysprefs if you want to rebind command to control. I'm also sick of using separate shortcuts at work, but the other way around, gonna rebind Ubuntu.

	▲	Hard_Space 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I use Karabinier to remap keys. Mac OS makes you work hard to enable it the first time, though.

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ecshafer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can give you a few examples:

Packages are not done well compared to linux. Brew is a poor replacement. It feels like the terminal and everything involved is constantly out of date.

The OS just has a lot of weird things, like the ribbon at the bottom taking up so much space. When I made is smaller and hidden except on mouse over it was incredibly rough.

Window management is decades behind windows or linux. It doesn't like maximizing windows and doesn't make partitioning screen space easy. I had to download a third party app to make it better, which was still worse than windows even in windows 7, and miles worse than linux with i3.

Mac has a lot of rough spots. I have two external monitors and occasionally after updates one monitor would be fuzzy or different resolutions, and it wouldn't go back until the next update.

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3form 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's something to it.

On that note, is there any GUI tool that allows me to browse my zip archives without unpacking them, and is also free?

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ep103 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

MacOs is extraordinarily opinionated about how everything should work and frequently attempt to predict your workflow.

Linux/Windows (historically) were straightforawrd, each tool did exactly what it said it would do, and it was up to you to learn how to use the tools available.

On linux/windows, if a button was "capture image", it would just capture the image on the screen. On a mac a "capture image" button could do anything from displaying the image on the screen, to saving it in a photos folder, to saving and syncing it to an iCloud account. Whatever the apple PM decided the most common use case was, and god help you if you want to do something different.

If you've been in the mac ecosystem for a while, you've grown used to this and don't notice any longer. You may even occasionally express happiness when a function does something unexpected and helpful!

If you're coming from anywhere else, its unbelievably painful.

	▲	al_borland 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I’d frame it slightly differently. With Linux/Windows you’re supplied with a toolbox and from that toolbox you’re expected to cobble together a workflow that works for you and maintain it. I spent a significant amount of time trying to learn Tasks inside of Outlook and come up with a system that would make it remotely useful. I failed repeatedly. They eventually bought Wunderlist and replaced it with that, which still has some rough edges (last I tried) due to the legacy Outlook Tasks integration. Apple, more often than not, is looking to identify a problem and give an opinionated solution on how to handle it. If you’re ok with their solution, great, problem solved. If you’re not, you end up either fighting with the Apple tools or finding a 3rd party toolbox style app that lets you cobble together a workflow. I found just going with the opinionated solution removes a lot of needless stress from my life. There are some places I do go 3rd party, but I reevaluate often to ask if I really need these things and if they’re worth the trouble. It ends up being a question of what my goals are with the computer. Am I looking to work on the operating system and apps to tune them to exactly what I want, or am I just looking for the system to fade into the background so I can do other things. When I was younger, I found tweaking and playing with everything to be a bit of a hobby. These days, I just want to do what I need to get done and move on with my life.

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stackedinserter 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not just this. I'm linux/macos user since early 2000's and still sometimes hate macos because they have very annoying bugs that are never fixed, and annoying corpo decisions.

E.g. it keeps opening Music app whenever I connect bluetooth earbuds. I can't delete Music app, it just keeps popping up with imbecile message about "user is not logged in" or something. I run a script that monitors that Music.app is running and kills-9 it.

Or blinking desktop background issue, that's been there for years, accumulated many support threads, and still not fixed.

Random services like coreaudiod that suddenly start consuming 100% CPU for no apparent reason.

Macbook throttling (thanks God, gone with M cpu's)

I can keep going but my point is macos has legit problems that can't be simply shrugged off with "they just hold it the wrong way".

Like any other mass product tbh, except rare ideal products like Factorio game or sqlite.

	▲	al_borland 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I haven't had that Bluetooth issue (but I haven't tried connecting my non-airpods to my mac). Have you tried this? I saw it as a fix over on Reddit. Privacy & Security > Bluetooth > Click the + > Add Music from Applications > Toggle to disabled (This is insane to have to do, but better than running a script to monitor for it and kill it)