| ▲ | postalcoder 14 hours ago |
| Apple also makes it a biznatch to make a developer account separate from your personal account. In Apple's ideal world, multiple accounts should in no circumstance ever exist. I, in an ideal world, would agree with this. But we live in this world, where Apple bans accounts for redeeming legitimate gift cards. |
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| ▲ | VerifiedReports 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| And yet Apple CREATED the multiple-accounts problem for millions of people by implementing their idiotic "Apple ID must be an E-mail address" policy. So of course people thought that when they changed jobs, cable companies, or whatever... they needed to create a new Apple ID with their new E-mail address. This was reinforced when Apple further stupidified their policy by requiring your ID to be a WORKING E-mail address (originally it didn't actually have to work). After the outcry over people's App Store and other purchases being scattered across multiple IDs, Apple finally publicly and huffily declared that they weren't going to fix the problem they created by letting people consolidate accounts. The moral: Don't force people to use E-mail addresses as user IDs. It's stupid on several levels. |
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| ▲ | Someone 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Apple finally publicly and huffily declared that they weren't going to fix the problem they created by letting people consolidate accounts. They somewhat changed that. It now is possible to move purchases between accounts. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/117294. Looks quite cumbersome to do, and will not apply to everybody (“If an Apple Account is only used for making purchases, those purchases can be migrated to a primary Apple Account to consolidate them.”, “This feature isn’t available to users in India.”) | | |
| ▲ | d0lphin 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What's weird, and I'm not sure if it's a documented or undocumented feature, but the account I am logged into on the App Store differs from the one logged into on the system. The system Apple ID is setup with Family Sharing, and the users are able to use apps purchased with the secondary Apple ID. I haven't transferred the purchases or anything either. The two Apple IDs have different purchases on them, and those on Family Sharing are able to access both. | |
| ▲ | VerifiedReports 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Interesting. But WTF is a "primary" Apple account? My original Apple ID isn't an E-mail address, so they forced me (and others in that situation) to create another one for iCloud because that one inexplicably has to be an E-mail address. I use both for quite a few things. Which one is "primary?" | | |
| ▲ | Someone 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | That text is badly written. They define that after mentioning it: “At the time of migration, the Apple Account signed in for use with iCloud and most features on your iPhone or iPad will be referred to as the primary Apple Account. At the time of migration, the Apple Account signed in just for use with Media & Purchases will be referred to as the secondary Apple Account.” ⇒ apparently you can be signed into multiple accounts at the same time ¿but I guess with only one account per feature? But as I said, that page is badly written. So, maybe I’m understanding it wrong. |
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| ▲ | deaux 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > And yet Apple CREATED the multiple-accounts problem for millions of people by implementing their idiotic "Apple ID must be an E-mail address" policy. Ironically they then relented only for India and China because market share too sweet, so all auth developers now need to update the assumption that Apple auth users have an email address. Worst of both worlds :) | |
| ▲ | fragmede 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe in the 90's before Gmail came about so everyone still used their university or ISP email accounts. | | |
| ▲ | netsharc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hotmail came in the mid 90s, Yahoo Mail followed soon, I don't think Apple was cloudy at all back then. I suppose those mail services were "cloud"... |
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| ▲ | direwolf20 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The two are related. Apple doesn't want you having multiple accounts, because it wants to ban you for redeeming legitimate gift cards, not just one of your personas. |
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| ▲ | malshe 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am facing this issue right now. I need to create a separate developer account because I am risk averse. Do I need a new phone number for this? Online some people say yes, others say no. I tried creating the account several times but it just doesn't work. At this point I am planning to just get a prepaid SIM card from US Mobile for the phone number. |
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| ▲ | jakejohnson 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I set up a couple developer accounts recently for my clients. Just use a new Google Voice number for 2FA. I had to live chat with Apple support to get past initial verification both times and after that setup went fine. |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >where Apple bans accounts for redeeming legitimate gift cards. Is there any evidence of this happening with an actual legitimate gift card and bot one which was stolen or originally purchased via credit card fund. |
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| ▲ | nake89 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Slightly off-topic, but stuff like this does not just happen at Apple. When Cyberpunk 2077 came out, my wife bought it with her credit card and gifted the game to me. It was fine at first. I even managed to play through the game. However when coming back to the game a few months later (to see all the bugfixes), it was gone. I contacted the (gog) and they said it was removed due to automatic fraud detection and that the balance had been paid back to the original credit card (my wife's card, she had obviously not noticed this in her bank statement). Point being automatic fraud detection systems can wipe out stuff you purchased even months after the fact (or in some cases lock your account)... It feels kafkaesque. | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Since it's gog at least you could download the game and save it somewhere. |
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| ▲ | avhon1 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://hey.paris/posts/appleid/ > The card was purchased from a major brick-and-mortar retailer (Australians, think Woolworths scale; Americans, think Walmart scale) | | |
| ▲ | charcircuit 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | >was already redeemed in some way This is the important quote showing that the gift card was not legitimate. | | |
| ▲ | twelvedogs 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | do you think that makes it ok? they walked into a store, tried to pay money to apple and as a result they had their stuff locked forever apple recommended they only buy gift cards from apple, but they still sell them in stores... obviously money is more important to them than the consumers but pretending apple have zero responsibility is silly | | |
| ▲ | charcircuit 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | >they had their stuff locked forever It was locked for less than a week. >but they still sell them in stores Unfortunately there are sketchy resellers that exist too. | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It was locked for a week because of the social media fuss that not everyone can raise. Otherwise it'd be forever. | |
| ▲ | netsharc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Your comment reminds me of this news story of a guy trapped in his work's elevator for the weekend. How was he supposed to know it'll be only for the weekend. | |
| ▲ | deaux 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hah, because it went viral. Good luck if you aren't able to reach a wide audience (99% of people aren't). Else it would've been locked for eternity. Stop defending atrocious behavior like this. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What matters is that the purchaser had every reason to think that it was legitimate and they were not the malefactor in this scenario, but they still got banned. |
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| ▲ | twelvedogs 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | this kind of stuff happens all the time across major companies with minimised support. sure your google account is likely to be there tomorrow but it's only a very good chance that it's not locked forever. i would be surprised if there's any company with millions of users where .01 or .001 (still a LOT of users) just get screwed with zero recourse | |
| ▲ | ThePowerOfFuet 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. https://hey.paris/posts/appleid/ | | |
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| ▲ | sk7 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For Apple Business Manager, Apple forces you to create a separate new account. |
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| ▲ | angulardragon03 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes - all ABM accounts are Managed Apple Accounts, not Personal ones. You can’t mix and match (they each have different features). |
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| ▲ | realusername 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If you create your developer account in another country (or with a card from another country, who knows), the whole thing just crashes and the sign-in on the phone loops. When encountering this, I updated the device which bricked the appstore, the device has to be fully reset if that happens. |
