| ▲ | Aurornis 8 hours ago |
| Years ago I was involved in a service where we some times had to disable accounts for abusive behavior. I'm talking about obvious abusive behavior, akin to griefing other users. Every once in while someone would take it personally and go on a social media rampage. The one thing I learned from being on the other side of this is that if someone seems like an unreliable narrator, they probably are. They know the company can't or won't reveal the true reason they were banned, so they're virtually free to tell any story they want. There are so many things about this article that don't make sense: > I'm glad this happened with this particular non-disabled-organization. Because if this by chance had happened with the other non-disabled-organization that also provides such tools... then I would be out of e-mail, photos, documents, and phone OS. I can't even understand what they're trying to communicate. I guess they're referring to Google? There is, without a doubt, more to this story than is being relayed. |
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| ▲ | fluoridation 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| "I'm glad this happened with Anthropic instead of Google, which provides Gemini, email, etc. or I would have been locked out of the actually important non-AI services as well." Non-disabled organization = the first party provider Disabled organization = me I don't know why they're using these weird euphemisms or ironic monikers, but that's what they mean. |
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| ▲ | gruez 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, "another non-disabled organization" sounds like they used the account of someone else, or sockpuppet to craft the response. He was using "organization" to refer to himself earlier in the post, so it doesn't make sense to use that to refer to another model provider. | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I don't think so. I think my interpretation is correct. > a textbox where I tried to convince some Claude C in the multi-trillion-quadrillion dollar non-disabled organization > So I wrote to their support, this time I wrote the text with the help of an LLM from another non-disabled organization. > My guess is that this likely tripped the "Prompt Injection" heuristics that the non-disabled organization has. A "non-disabled organization" is just a big company. Again, I don't understand the why, but I can't see any other way to interpret the term and end up with a coherent idea. |
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| ▲ | mattnewton 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because they bought a claude subscription on a personal account and the error message said that they belongs to a "disabled organization" (probably leaking some implementation details). | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's the part I understand. It's the other term that I don't understand. | | |
| ▲ | mattnewton 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then I’m confused about what is confusing you haha. The absurd language is meant to highlight the absurdity they feel over the vague terms in their sparse communication with anthropic. It worked for me. | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because what is meant by "this organization has been disabled" is fairly obvious. The object in Anthropic's systems belonging to the class Organization has changed to the state Disabled, so the call cannot be executed. Anthropic itself is not an organization in this sense, nor is Google, so I would say that referring to them as "non-disabled organizations" is an equivocation fallacy. Besides that, I can't tell if it's a joke, if it's some kind of statement, or what is being communicated. To me it's just obtuseness for the sake of itself. | | |
| ▲ | mattnewton 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s a joke because they do not see themselves as an organization, they bought a personal account, were banned without explanation and their only communication refers to them as a “disabled organization”. Anthropic and Google are organizations, and so an “un disabled organization” here is using that absurdly vague language as a way to highlight how bad their error message was. It’s obtuseness to show how obtuse the error message was to them. | |
| ▲ | nofriend 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >To me it's just obtuseness for the sake of itself. ironic, isn't it? |
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| ▲ | quietsegfault 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | He used “organization” because that’s what Anthropic called him, despite the fact he is a person and not an “organization”. | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, Anthropic didn't call him an organization. Anthropic's API returned the error "this organization has been disabled". What in that sentence implies that "this" is any human? >Because what is meant by "this organization has been disabled" is fairly obvious. The object in Anthropic's systems belonging to the class Organization has changed to the state Disabled, so the call cannot be executed. |
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| ▲ | epolanski 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tangential but you reminded me of why I don't give feedback to people I interview. It's a huge risk and you have very low benefit. It once happened to me to interview a developer who's had a 20-something long list of "skills" and technologies he worked with. I tried basic questions on different topics but the candidate would kinda default to "haven't touched it in a while", "we didn't use that feature". Tried general software design questions, asking about problems he solved, his preferences on the way of working, consistently felt like he didn't have much to argue, if he did at all. Long story short, I sent a feedback email the day later saying that we had issues evaluating him properly, suggested to trim his CV with topics he liked more to talk about instead of risking being asked about stuff he no longer remembered much. And finally I suggested to always come prepared with insights of software or human problems he solved as they can tell a lot about how he works because it's a very common question in pretty much all interview processes. God forbid, he threw the biggest tantrum on a career subreddit and linkedin, cherrypicking some of my sentences and accusing my company and me to be looking for the impossible candidate, that we were looking for a team and not a developer, and yada yada yada. And you know the internet how quickly it bandwagons for (fake) stories of injustice and bad companies. It then became obvious to me why corporate lingo uses corporate lingo and rarely gives real feedback. Even though I had nothing but good experience with 99 other candidates who appreciated getting proper feedback, one made sure I will never expose myself to something like that ever again. |
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| ▲ | netsharc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wonder if there needs to be an "NDA for feedback"... or at least a "non-disparagement agreement". Something along the lines of "here's the contract, we give you feedback, you don't make it public [is some sharing ok? e.g. if they want to ask their life coach or similar], if you make it public the penalty is $10000 [no need to be crazy punitive], and if you make it public you agree we can release our notes about you in response." (Looking forward to the NALs responding why this is terrible.) | |
| ▲ | lysace 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Had a similar experience, like 20 years ago. This somehow made me remember his name - so I just checked out what he's been up to professionally. It seems quite boring, "basic" and expected. He certainly didn't reach what he was shooting for. So there's that :). |
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| ▲ | dragonwriter 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The excerpt you don’t understand is saying that if it has been Google rather than Anthropic, the blast radius of the no-explanation account nuking would have been much greater. It’s written deliberately elliptically for humorous effect (which, sure, will probably fall flat for a lot of people), but the reference is unmistakable. |
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| ▲ | nawgz 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I'm talking about obvious abusive behavior, akin to griefing other users Right, but we're talking about a private isolated AI account. There is no sense of social interaction, collaboration, shared spaces, shared behaviors... Nothing. How can you have such an analogue here? |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Plenty of reasons: Abusing private APIs, using false info to sign up (attempts to circumvent local regulations), etc. | | |
| ▲ | nawgz 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | These are in no way similar to griefing other users, they are attacks on the platform... |
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| ▲ | direwolf20 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Attempting to coerce Claude to provide instructions to build a bomb | | |
| ▲ | genewitch 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | virtually anything can become a bomb if you can aerosolize it. even beef jerky, i wager. |
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