| ▲ | Saline9515 5 hours ago |
| Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI. It doesn't handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland/X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently). Let's not even talk about the case when you have monitors that have different DPI, something that is handled seamlessly by MacOS, unlike Linux where it feels like a d20 roll depending on your distro. I expect most desktop MacOS users to have a HiDPI screen in 2026 (it's just...better), so going to Linux may feel like a serious downgrade, or at least a waste of time if you want to get every config "right". I wish it was differently, honestly - the rest of the OS is great, and the diversity between distros is refreshing. |
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| ▲ | drnick1 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI. It doesn't handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland/X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently). I have been using a 4K display for years on Linux without issues. The scaling issue with non-native apps is a problem that Windows also struggles with btw. |
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| ▲ | storus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I recently bought a MacStudio with 512GB of RAM and connected it to a LG 5k2k monitor. For some reason there was no way to change the font size (they removed the text size "Larger Text ... More Space" continuum from the Display section of settings) so I ended up with either super small or super large fonts without anything in-between. In the end I had to install some 3rd party software and mix my own scaled resolution with acceptable font size. This has never been a problem on Linux in the past 10 years, all I needed to do at worst when it wasn't done out of the box was to set scale somewhere and that was it. |
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| ▲ | Saline9515 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I bought a MacStudio 2 months ago, on Sequoia you go to "display" and should see the various resolutions. If not, "advanced">"show resolutions as a list">"show all resolutions". | | |
| ▲ | storus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Unfortunately, resolutions offered were weird. Native is 5120x2160 but that wasn't offered and scaled resolutions were weird. I guess macOS didn't read monitor's information properly or something. I wasted a few hours frantically trying to figure out how to connect a $12k computer to a 4-year old monitor which should have been a breeze but for some reason wasn't. The same monitor worked fine on Linux or Windows. | | |
| ▲ | pests an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Frantically? For hours? If that is what you meant, did you try stepping back for a few minutes, and coming up with a plan / doing research? | |
| ▲ | FireBeyond an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I feel like this has something to do with Apple fucking with DP 1.4 for the ProDisplay XDR. My 2019 Mac Pro with Catalina could happily drive 2 4K monitors in HDR @ 144 Hz. People wondered how Apple got the math to work to drive the ProDisplay. Big Sur? Not any more. 95Hz for 4K SDR, 60Hz for 4K HDR. Not the cables, not the monitors. Indeed, "downgrading" the monitors advertised support to DP 1.2 gave better options, 120Hz SDR, 75Hz HDR. And it was never fixed, not in Big Sur, Monterey or Ventura, when I had switched monitors. Hundreds of reports, hundreds of video/monitor combinations. |
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| ▲ | chrisweekly 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Curious what software; I've used "SwitchResX" in the past and it met all my needs... | |
| ▲ | QuercusMax 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | BetterDisplay has solved a ton of problems like this for me; when MacOS gets confused about non apple monitors, BetterDisplay knows how to fix things. | |
| ▲ | stephenr an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | AFAIK the smallest 5K2K is 34", with a PPI of 163. I don't believe that is treated as "HiDPI" by macOS, is it? |
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| ▲ | starkparker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Every 4K external display I've connected to every M1- and M2-series Mac running macOS has a known flickering issue with Display Stream Compression that Apple knows about and has been unable or unwilling to fix. The only reliable fixes are to either disable that DisplayPort feature if your monitor supports it, or to disable GPU Dithering using a paid third-party tool (BetterDisplay). Either that or switch to Asahi, which doesn't have that issue. The issue is common enough that BENQ has a FAQ page about it, which includes steps like "disable dark mode" and "wait for 2 hours": https://www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/how-to... |
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| ▲ | RHSeeger 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | One of my external screens is 4k and I haven't noticed any flickering. It's an Apple monitor though, so maybe that's the difference. |
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| ▲ | pkulak 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wait, has MacOS finally figured out fractional scaling? Last I looked, Linux actually had better support. And now Linux support is pretty good. It’s really only older apps that don’t work. |
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| ▲ | blinkingled 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am a full time KDE/Arch user and since Plasma 6 haven't had any HiDPI issues including monitors with different DPI or X11 apps - of which there are very few nowadays. |
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| ▲ | lovasoa 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I use linux at home (with a HiDPI screen) and MacOS for work. The screen works well with both computers. I mostly just use a text editor, a browser, and a terminal though. Linux has bugs, bug MacOS does too. I feel like for a dev like me, the linux setup is more comfortable. |
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| ▲ | mcny 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same here. I stick to 100% scaling and side step the whole hi dpi issue. I even have a single USB type c cable that connects my laptop to the laptop stand and that laptop stand is what connects to the monitor, keyboard, and mouse. I know people will say meh but coming from the world of hurt with drivers and windows based soft modems — I was on dial up even as late as 2005! — I think the idea that everything works plug and play is amazing. Compare with my experience on Windows — maybe I did something wrong, I don't know but the external monitor didn't work over HDMI when I installed windows without s network connection and maybe it was a coincidence but it didn't work until I connected to the Internet. |
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| ▲ | deaux an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255860955?sortBy=upvote... MacOS isn't in any kind of position regarding displays. 180+ replies and 300+ upvotes by the 0.1% of sufferers who bother to find these threads, log in, and comment of them. Exteemely widespread, going on for years, thread silently locked. |
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| ▲ | seba_dos1 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sure, you can find some obscure DEs that don't handle that well yet. Or you could just use Plasma and have it all work just fine, like it did for many years now. |
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| ▲ | Macha 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI. It doesn't handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland/X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently). Meanwhile on MacOS my displays may work. Or they might not work. Or they might work but randomly locked to 30hz. It depends on what order they wake up in or get plugged in. I suspect the root of the problem is one of them is a very high refresh rate monitor (1440p360hz) and probably related to the display bandwidth limitations that provide a relatively low monitor limit for such a high cost machine. |
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| ▲ | deaux an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I have similar issues without the high refresh rate. It's a MacOS bug related to sleep/wake corrupting internal display settings. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255860955?sortBy=upvote... After 344 "me too"s and 180+ replies they silently locked the thread to save themselves from more embarassment. | |
| ▲ | QuercusMax 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I finally got fed up with my two external monitors (one of which I rotate to portrait) getting mixed up by MacOS every time my MacBook would go to sleep or I unplugged it, so I bought a thunderbolt docking station which has basically solved all my issues. Worth every penny to be able to swap my personal laptop and work laptop with a single cable. Macs don't support the USBC / displayport daisy chaining support that my monitors should be able to handle. Very frustrating that this stuff is still so nonstandard. If you have all Apple it all works perfectly, of course. | | |
| ▲ | Macha 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | But don’t forget to order the “right” (i.e. caldigit) dock. My dell dock is even more of a mess on the Mac than plugging the monitors in directly. Works great with a Dell (obviously) and framework laptop running Win10 and Linux respectively though |
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| ▲ | truncate 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've not had any issues with 4k display. Mac does handle monitors with different DPIs well, but not really a issue for me. Most hardware I use also just works great. Gaming is great now as well. The only reason I can't completely switch to Linux is because there are no great options for anything non-programming related stuff I love to do ... such as photography, music (guitar amplifier sims). |
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| ▲ | jhasse 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| GNOME still has some problems with fractional scaling, but KDE works perfectly. I'm using two displays, one with 150% and one with 100%. No blurry apps and absolutely no issues. Have you tried it recently? |
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| ▲ | sbrother 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you independently set desktop wallpapers on the two screens? I know this seems nitpicky but it's literally impossible with Ubuntu/Gnome as far as I know; I have one vertical and one horizontal and have to just go with a solid color background to make that work. | | |
| ▲ | Macha 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes. It was actually more tedious to do the inverse when I wanted three screens to do a rotating wallpapers from the same set of folders as I had to set the list of folders three times |
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| ▲ | freedomben 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've been using fractional scaling on Gnome for years (including on the laptop I'm typing this on) and haven't had any issues. I haven't tried it with two displays that are set differently though. Is that a common thing? | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | KDE is in better shape than GNOME, but there are still some nits. Nearly all the available third party themes for example are blurry or otherwise render incorrectly with fractional scaling on. | | |
| ▲ | cwillu 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | So don't use a third party theme. | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Problem is, the stock themes aren't to my taste at all. | | |
| ▲ | nish__ 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why not send a pull request to one of your theme maintainers? | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | To my understanding, doing that wouldn't be helpful due to hard technical limits that can't be reconciled. Most window chrome themes are Aurora themes, which don't play nice with HiDPI, and to change that they'd need to be rewritten as C++ themes (like the default Breeze theme is), which is beyond the capabilities of most people publishing themes. |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It also doesn't offer a Mac-style desktop environment, which is one of the things keeping me away. KDE/Cinnamon/XFCE lean more Windows-style, GNOME/Pantheon (Elementary) is more like iPadOS/Android in desktop mode. My productivity takes a big hit in Windows-style environments and I just don't enjoy using them. I hope to put my money where my mouth is and contribute to one of the tiny handful of nascent Mac-like environment projects out there once some spare time opens up, but until then… |
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| ▲ | bsimpson 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So apparently when Canonical was the gorilla in desktop Linux, they had a push to have apps make their menus accessible via API. KDE supports that protocol. There are KDE widgets that will draw a Mac-style menu bar from it. That means you can take the standard KDE "panel" and split it in two halves: a dock for the bottom edge, and a menus/wifi settings/clock bar for the top edge. There are some things I don't know how to work around - like Chrome defaulting to Windows-style close buttons and keybindings, but if the Start menu copy is the thing keeping you off Linux, you can mod it more than you think you can. | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yep, I've played with it. Things might've changed but I couldn't get KDE's global menubar to work at all under Wayland, and under X11 a lot of apps don't populate it. |
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| ▲ | freedomben 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Gnome with a persistent app drawer is relatively Mac-like. With a couple settings tweaks and possibly extensions, it can get pretty close. Even out of the box it feels a lot more mac-like than windows-like to me, but of course everybody is a bit different. | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Some of the broad strokes are there, but the details are what matters. Gnome extensions also come with the problem of breaking every other update which quickly becomes irritating. |
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| ▲ | cherryteastain 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not a problem on my Fedora Silverblue 43 machine with dual 4K 27" screens at 125% scaling. Zero blurry apps, including XWayland ones. |
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| ▲ | piskov 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Boy, does that fractional scaling should look like shit on any vector graphics. That’s why Apple used 4k on 22”, 5k on 27 and 6k on 32 to make it crispy always on 200% |
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| ▲ | chocochunks 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| MacOS doesn't handle HiDPI screens that well either. The most common and affordable high res monitors are 27" 4K monitors and those don't mesh well with the way macOS does HiDPI. You either have a perfect 2x but giant 1080p like display or a blurryish non-integer scale that's more usable. And god forbid you still have low DPI monitor still! |
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| ▲ | bsimpson 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Blows my minded that a 4k 27" monitor that was $500 a dozen years ago is still near top tier now. 5k has been surprisingly stagnant. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | At some point additional resolution is a dimishing return. The human eye has limits. | | |
| ▲ | robotresearcher 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 5K 27” looks usefully better than 4K 27” to my middle aged eyes. I’d prefer that to not be so, because 5K panels are so much more expensive. But in a side by side comparison it’s very obvious. But the market has spoken: a quality 4K display is very good, certainly good enough, and the value for money is great. I’m ok with spending more on a better display that I spend so much time with. The cost per use-hour is still very, very low. | |
| ▲ | intrasight 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We're approaching that point but are not there yet |
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| ▲ | Saline9515 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can adjust this in settings. | | |
| ▲ | chocochunks 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Adjust it to what? Making a 4K monitor look like 1440p (or a non-1080p or 4K desktop) ends up with a non-integer scale on macOS AFAIK. They also completely tore out subpixel font rendering for low DPI displays. |
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| ▲ | eek2121 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My dude, It's been more than capable for years. I have an ultrawide OLED monitor (3440x1440@165hz) paired with a 4K@144hz monitor. Both HDR, different capabilities. Both have different DPIs set, 125% for one, 200% for the other. My setup required less configuration than Windows does. Right click -> Display Configuration -> Set Alignment (monitor position) -> Set refresh rate -> Set HDR -> Set DPI -> Apply. Done. Don't knock it unless you've tried it. This was CachyOS btw. Windows actually required MORE work because I had to install drivers, connect to the internet during setup, get nagged about using a Microsoft account, etc. CachyOS was basically boot -> verify partitions are correct -> decide on defaults -> create account/password -> wait for files to copy -> done. Drivers, including the latest NVIDIA drivers, auto installed/working. |
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| ▲ | Saline9515 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tried 3 months ago with Gnome (PopOS) and a 4k screen at 125% scaling, apps were blurry, especially Brave, which was a big disappointment. I give Linux a try each time I need to set up a new computer, and each time run into new issues. Last time (2 years ago) the hdmi connection with the screen would drop randomly twice a day. Same for the keyboard, and the wifi card didn't have drivers available. It became quite annoying, reducing my productivity as I had to reboot and pray. I then installed Windows, which solved all of the issues (unfortunately?) Maybe I'm just unlucky. |
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| ▲ | greenavocado 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You're supposed to use KDE with Xorg if you want things to just work. KDE with Wayland if you're adventurous. Therefore newcomers should use Kubuntu or the likes of it |
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| ▲ | 6SixTy 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | KWin/Xorg AFAIK has been on maintanence duty (i.e. fixes mostly come from XWayland) for >5 years now. KDE has expulsed the Xorg codebase of KWin into a seperate repo in preparation of a Wayland only future. Even if KDE/Xorg is a stable experience is true now, it will not be true in the medium to short term. And a distro like Kubuntu might be 2 years out from merging a "perfect" KDE Plasma experience if it arrived right now. |
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