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One interesting detail: In previous years, Joscha Bach gave a talk on AI, consciousness, and related topics (see e.g. [0]). A similar talk was planned for this year as well, but after emails between him and Epstein were made public (see his comment on this in [1]), his talk was canceled. Instead, there appears to have been an event that critically addressed the situation [2]. Unfortunately it was not recorded. Did anyone attend? A discussion between Joscha and his critics would have been really interesting. [0] https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-self-models-of-loving-grace [1] https://joscha.substack.com/p/on-the-jeffrey-epstein-affair [2] https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/hub/en/event/detail/tech... | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | anotheryou 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well that discussion talk is not an open discourse about the situation... He quoted what he believed was scientific evidence in a private conversation that became public, has comments on fashism being efficient are clearly anti-facist and believed to observe a gender stereotype. No matter if the facts were true, it should be possible to discuss such things (especially those you think are facts) in private without getting canceled. Even if they would play in to the hand of racism or sexism if made as public statements. I found his appology a bit weak, but I also don't see his offense, despite the messages in public being offensive and possibly harmful. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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He did have an anual talk beginning with 30C3 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Assembly events like [2] are not recorded because they are largely self-organized and barely moderated (if at all). | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Urgh wtf... This meta discussion synopsis "Tech-Transcendentalism as Hypermodern Myth and Neofeudal Ideology [all creatures welcome]" feels like reading a rabit hole of a mountain. I would have loved another talk from Joscha, the critisism is weirdly ignorant. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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To add some context and to spare readers who, like me, know nothing about Joscha Bach and only little about Epstein from having to go through all the linked material: The allegations do not appear to involve abuse or moral complicity with Epstein. Instead, they seem to focus on emails Bach exchanged with Epstein concerning IQ, race, and possibly sex. Bach denies these allegations of racism and sexism. That is at least how I understand the material based on the provided links. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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"All of the people I know who were friends with this sociopathic child-trafficking pedophile told me he was reformed now" is certainly something to put out there. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||