| ▲ | vunderba 10 hours ago |
| It’s a bit weird to see the English transliteration of Russian words for example, govoritz instead of говорить. For anyone looking to study Russian, I highly recommend spending a few days familiarizing yourself with Cyrillic first. Toss it into an Anki deck (or download one) and use FSRS (Free Spaced Repetition Scheduler). It’s phonetic and consists of only 33 letters, I memorized it on a ~12-hour flight to Moscow many years ago. |
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| ▲ | lII1lIlI11ll 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes, a cursory glance at written Polish should be enough for anyone to understand why Latin alphabet is a poor match for Slavic languages. |
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| ▲ | nosianu an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh yes, Polish, the difficulty is shown in this 1:19 slice from a movie: "Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz " -- https://youtu.be/AfKZclMWS1U | |
| ▲ | integralid 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your are getting downvoted, but polish writing system really is not great. There are both non-english characters (ą, ę, ś, ć, ź, ż) and digraphs (rz, sz, cz, dz, dż, dź, ch). Also there is done overlap here and some sounds can be written in more than one way (h ~= ch, ż ~= rz, ć == ci, ś == si, etc). At least you can pretty much always tell how to read a word looking only at its spelling. |
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| ▲ | owyn 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same thing with learning Japanese. Just memorize the symbols. It's phonetic. Of course there are complex meanings and subtleties but that's just how we all play with language. As a foreigner your pronunciation can be good once you get the basics. But you have to match the sounds with the letters. We all did it once. We can do it again. |
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| ▲ | vunderba 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Related, I spent several formative years in Taiwan. Back then, my Taiwanese phone (way before smartphones) used bopomofo as the primary input method for typing Chinese, so I had to learn it. Unfortunately, some of the 注音 symbols are remarkably similar to Japanese kana, and I found that my familiarity with hiragana and katakana actually caused me constant grief, as I kept mixing up the pronunciations. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Same thing with learning Japanese Korean, too. | |
| ▲ | jwrallie 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Except there are many, many more symbols? | |
| ▲ | bugglebeetle 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Almost nothing aside from children’s books is written exclusively in hiragana or katakana. You have to also memorize the variable readings of about 2000 kanji and many texts are nearly unintelligible without them. Pretty much everyone can memorize the former, but must struggle with the latter. Both Korean and Mandarin are simpler in this regard (and the latter follows the same grammatical order as English). | | |
| ▲ | yread 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | When I was in Japan all the street signs and train stations had a little transliteration in hiragana of the kanji name. Super useful to be able to read it | |
| ▲ | hackshack 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Remembering the Kanji," by James Heisig, will set you up real good. I recommend this to anyone who starts in with the 3000+ character thing. It is fundamentally different from rote memorization that they would have you do at school, instead using mnemonics and stories. | |
| ▲ | that_ant_laney 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What do you mean Mandarin is simpler in this regard? Japanese is partially kanji, while Mandarin is 100% HanZi (kanji). But yes, grammar-wise Mandarin is definitely easier than both Japanese and Korean. | | |
| ▲ | TazeTSchnitzel 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hanzi as used in Chinese usually have exactly one reading. On the other hand, virtually all kanji in Japanese have several different pronunciations depending on context. |
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| ▲ | ljlolel 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I found after learning Greek I could instantly read Cyrillic too |
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| ▲ | triword 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Odd. According to this venn diagram, that would only give you 3 additional characters of Greek from what you would already know coming form English. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Venn_diagram_showing... | | |
| ▲ | owenversteeg 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The diagram says that (Cyrillic ∩ Greek) - (Cyrillic ∩ Latin) is 3 letters, П Ф Г but as the sibling comment says, Λ/Л, Δ/Д and Κ/К are similar enough. That only leaves you with Θ/theta (th as in thin), Σ/sigma (s as in soft), Ξ/xi (x as in fox), Ψ/psi (ps as in lapse), and Ω/omega (o as in ore.) A lot of those are close enough that you can sort of guess, if you know the English names for the letters! | |
| ▲ | ipeev 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That diagram is rather bad at what it tries to do. Those are also historically and phonetically the same:
Λ Л
Δ Д
Κ К
The first Cyrillic alphabet was using the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glagolitic_script , curiously created by Saint Cyril, but then people found it was too difficult, so someone in the Preslav Literary School in the First Bulgarian Empire mashed up Glagolitic, Greek and Latin to create the new Cyrillic (probably naming it as a sorry to Cyril for butchering his nice unique alphabet). | |
| ▲ | cynicalkane 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Many Cyrillic letters are Latin-looking, but actually have direct Greek analogues due to the history of the writing system. If you don't know Greek letters, you'd have a hard time guessing р made a 'r' sound. If you do, it's a natural guess. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Truly everyone assumes “learning another alphabet” is hard but it really isn’t. 1-2 weeks of 30-45min a day drills and you’ll have it down. Cyrillic is very easy to memorize. |
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| ▲ | risyachka 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >> For anyone looking to study Russian... just study some other language that has some culture to it or can be useful. Don't waste your time on russian |
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| ▲ | mlrtime an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you just tell us your biases instead of making us guess? Why doesn't Russian have culture, why is it not useful? | | |
| ▲ | risyachka an hour ago | parent [-] | | Regarding culture I was unfortunate I had to briefly learn some russian history. And why not useful? Kinda obvious if you studied russia even basic via wikipedia. Russia has absolutely nothing to offer - neither to individuals nor to the world in general. The only thing they ever did are wars. And all inventions etc they copy/steal or those very few are result of research into weapons. And the people is another story. Go to russia and see for yourslft. Why would one learn language of this country if you can learn spanish/portuguese etc and get actual value from it or at least be able to communicate with nice people with come culture |
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| ▲ | reorder9695 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're honestly saying that Russia of all places has no history or culture? | | |
| ▲ | Yizahi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | She's saying that Ruzzian history and culture doesn't deserve neither recognition nor effort to learn them, at this period of time. It's fine if a person is already partially or fully embedded in those, you can't "unlearn" stuff. But I'm personally baffled at the people on reddit book subs who are clearly westerners and writing that they are actively trying to learn Ruzzian to read some Tolstoevsky. Yeah, I'm impressed, twice, both at the spectacularly low reward/effort ratio and the sheer tone deafness of it all. In 2025. Or 2024. Or 2023. Etc. | | |
| ▲ | mlrtime an hour ago | parent [-] | | So because of a war they shouldn't learn Russian, and why do you type it as "Ruzzian"? The effort people put into criticizing how others spend their time is baffling, especially on HN. | | |
| ▲ | risyachka an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Yup. Not because of war. Because all russia has to offer this world is destruction and learning russian is the biggest waste of time one can come up with. Only if you don't know any russians you may think "I may communicate with them". When time comes and you meet more than 1 random example of them - you will not want to speak with them ever again. These are facts from big numbers of people who actually konw them. If you think "but i know a guy at work at my US company he is from russia" - mate, he is nothing like russians, and he also hides like 90% of his true self. | | |
| ▲ | ramonga 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | russian is also natively spoken in Belarus, Ukraine & many ethnics minorities inside russian federation. | |
| ▲ | mlrtime an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm teaching my son Russian and English now as well as the rich culture. I can also teach him to think critically and NOT support war. I'm sorry your experience has been so one sided, we all have different persepctives. | |
| ▲ | Alex2037 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | it is delightfully damning that you people say such things out loud :) |
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| ▲ | fractallyte 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | russians (this time spelt with a lowercase 'r') have forfeited their right to exist as a nation. Consistently throughout history, they have invaded, colonized, and genocided their neighbors. They are doing it now, while the whole world watches. If anything, their brazenness is increasing - because they know there will never be any punishment. When people wonder how Germans allowed their country to tip over into Nazism, modern russia is a perfect reenactment of that: we can see it happening, in real time. And it's a blazing indictment that the rest of our "civilized" world is doing the absolute minimum to prevent history from repeating itself. Utterly SHAMEFUL. |
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