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| ▲ | x3ro 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You mean it will benefit Apple’s customers, who prefer headphones not made by Apple? If only the incentive for Apple to improve their interface was that its paying customers will have a better interface. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I really don't understand people who defend Apple on this. The only reason I can imagine is that they're shareholders who don't use any Apple products, or shareholders who use exclusively Apple products and can't understand what sort of poor scrub might want an accessory not made by them. | | |
| ▲ | darkwater 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's the second one, but without being shareholders. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Strange opinion. Anyone that holds the SP500 (which is probably 99% of HN users between 9am and 5pm PT) are Apple shareholders, and what’s good for Apple is entirely aligned with what’s good for them. Taking a further step back, this same group of HN users probably understands the straightforward idea that what’s good for Bay Area tech companies is beneficial to them in a much broader sense, since they’re generally employed by them or by a very small group of other companies closely related to them. You can accuse them of being greedy, selfish, or whatever, but certainly not that they’re unaware of where their interests lie. |
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| ▲ | hopelite 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | tt24 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your comment is absolutely spot on, no notes. Wish your attitude was more popular and prevalent around here. My guess is that before 2017 or so it used to be. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apparently even Apple doesn't share your opinion. They haven't threatened to leave Europe, Japan or the United States in retaliation for App Store regulations. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's fine, I have no issue with Apple not sharing my opinion. It's a perfectly understandable and respectable business decision. |
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| ▲ | Y-bar 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I don’t see it as a matter of defending Apple, it’s really a matter of technical understanding and competence. So do I. And my >20 years in the business gives me the experience and knowledge to see through Apple’s FUD. > […] but also wanting to benefit from all the work and focus that went into creating it, is understandable to me. It is my device. I paid for it. If Apple thinks they deserve more money for what they did they are free to ask me, the customer, for more money. > […] unelected bureaucratic despots Aha, the dog whistle of the AfD brand of conspiratorial bullshit ”unelected” nonsense! Career bureaucracy is supposed to be certified and educated, not elected, because that is the only way they can properly implement the laws of the electorate. Bureaucracy still answers to elected officials, but they are supposed to act without political interference and provide specialist knowledge. For the same reason you do not vote on every captain and colonel in the military hierarchy, or every tax collector/auditor in your IRS equivalent, you do not vote on every bureaucrat in the Commission tasked to execute and implement law. | |
| ▲ | nutjob2 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Your whole post is an ignorant, ugly and hate filled rant of little value, but I will pick out this one trope: > Not the EU and its blob of unelected bureaucratic despots and unelected Commission of dictators EU haters have two complaints, that it is unelected and that it takes away sovereignty, yet it consists of the members of national governments that not only elect the various officers of the EU (including the Commission) but also vote on all major decisions of the EU, as well as the directly elected EU parliament. So in fact the EU preserves both sovereignty and the votes of EU citizens, both member governments and citizen representatives must approve all EU actions. It's a little complicated sure, apparently too complicated for some to understand. | |
| ▲ | tclancy 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Frankly, I wish Apple had the non-binary balls to simply just cut off all iPhones in Europe rather than bend to EU despot dictates Perhaps you should come back when you’re less emotional. Suggesting incredibly poor value for shareholder decision while also being hateful (non-binary balls, indeed) is showing the whole ass. Never go whole ass. | |
| ▲ | llmslave2 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're getting downvoted but it's absolutely true that people simply don't want to (or are incapable) of considering second and third order effects that arise from applying interventions on systems that they do not understand. |
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| ▲ | blell 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | Y-bar 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > always ends up catastrophically. Government intervention like forbidding led-based paints or asbestos in homes? Or government intervention like doing something about the ozone depletion? Government intervention like forbidding roaming fees? Intervention like requiring 3-point seat belts? Like progressive taxation? Like forbidding discrimination based on skin colour? Like air travel safety? Like a max ceiling on credit card fees? Always? | | |
| ▲ | kibbber 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Like progressive taxation? Like forbidding discrimination based on skin colour? Ok, sometimes. | | |
| ▲ | Y-bar 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Give an example regulation which has objectively been catastrophic and where there has been no clear attempts at amending or improving it. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Abortion abolition in states that are causing women to die because doctors are afraid to perform them even when it puts the woman’s life in danger not to perform them. It even put the life of a Republican lawmaker in dander in Florida. Of course she blamed democrats. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/22/kat-cammack-... | |
| ▲ | CamperBob2 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some off-the-cuff examples that come to mind: - Drastic overregulation of nuclear energy in the US, resulting in fossil-fuel pollution measurable in gigatons over the past several decades accompanied by literally countless illnesses and premature deaths. - Premature mandates for airbags in cars that resulted in hundreds of needless child deaths because the technology wasn't yet safe enough for universal deployment. A scenario that's playing out right now with misfeatures like automated emergency braking. - The Jones Act (Merchant Marine Act of 1920), whose effects are too convoluted to go into here. - Misguided, market-distorting housing policies, ranging across the spectrum from rent control to Proposition 13. - Many if not most aspects of the War on Drugs, including but not limited to mandatory minimum sentencing and de-facto hardwiring of racial bias into the justice system. | |
| ▲ | kibbber 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I quoted a couple. | | |
| ▲ | Y-bar 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Please provide any tangible evidence that progressive taxation and prohibition on discrimination on the basis of race has been catastrophic. | |
| ▲ | baobun 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You mean with your other sockpuppet account you did? | |
| ▲ | RicDan 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is this a bot account? Why is it green and spouting nonsense? There is nothing quoted in the previous comment | | |
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| ▲ | xandrius 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You call it government intervention, we call it good government. | |
| ▲ | valesco 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hopefully this uniquely American push for dysfunctional government stays on their side of the ocean. | |
| ▲ | stavros 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because a monopoly extracting 30% of every purchase you make is a dream scenario? | | |
| ▲ | tt24 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | How is Apple a monopoly? | | |
| ▲ | stavros 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | They own the only app store you can use on an iPhone. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, using that definition, Walmart, Target, Dollar Tree, my local regional grocery store, Trader Joe's and Ralph's are monopolies as well. They own their shelves and store space, and are the sole arbiters responsible for deciding what is sold within them. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you have purchased your own Walmart and corporate still decides what you sell within it, then yes, that is exactly the same. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, so it has to be something you purchase - we're slowly getting closer to the true opinion here. Sony is a monopoly as well then? They decide what gets sold in the Playstation store. Same with Nintendo. Ford and Tesla are monopolies, they solely decide what is software is sold or used in their car's infotainment center stores, despite the fact that I have purchased the car! AWS is a monopoly, despite the fact that I purchase an EC2 instance from them for one year they will not let me run certain kinds of software on it (Parler, some crypto, etc.) |
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| ▲ | vachina 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | non-apple headphones work just fine with Apple products. In fact, Apple's bluetooth stack seem to work best among all the portable devices I come across (no random droppings, connects on first try etc.) | | |
| ▲ | geraldwhen 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I was unaware that my headphone experience as impaired in some way. I exclusively use non Apple headphones and I have no issues. I had AirPods for a while and I don’t remember them being better. | | |
| ▲ | array_key_first 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | They have nifty apple-only features, like you can hold them close to the iPhone and they'll pop up and pair with a neat UI. It's mostly gimicky, but it does give the user the impression that the apple Air pods are higher quality because they have all these things thought out. In actuality, Apple just made it so they're the only ones who can do that. |
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| ▲ | eptcyka 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | My iPhone has plenty of trouble connecting to various devices at times. God forbid it has to manage connecting to my car and my headphones at once. It works OK most of the time, but at least once a week it proves to be a problem. |
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| ▲ | latexr 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Apple used to brag that “it just works”. That included peripherals it did not control. Nowadays, it can’t even have its own devices work correctly. Apple has stopped improving long ago, and it’s not regulation that’s at fault. | | |
| ▲ | vachina 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was unconvinced till I switched my devices, one by one, to Apple products a few years ago. They really do just work, especially with specification abiding devices. Everything else feels flakey. | | |
| ▲ | Macha 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I will say, I have an Apple device minority ecosystem, and it seems to be that the Apple devices are the bad citizens there. For example, I have Sony and Bose headphones with bluetooth multi point. The way this is supposed to work for example is that I can connect them to my PC and my smartphone and have my PC playing videos or whatever, and my phone can override that when something "priority" like a phone call comes in. Except if the iPad is one of the connected devices, then it will claim priority once a minute or so, _even if it's playing no audio_, thereby interrupting other audio streams pointlessly. This makes all the other devices look like they can't play audio and the iPad can, and I'm sure the iPad plays nice with airpods, but it seems weird to me that every non-Apple combination of devices I hve also plays nice with each other. | |
| ▲ | ruszki 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Except of course these things: - Reliable internet sharing, especially when connection is spotty, and when your connection switches between operators or countries - Making alarms randomly silent. I missed a flight once because of this. There is no excuse for this. - Randomly not working AirPlay - GPS is terrible compared to any of my previous Androids. Even my first Android in 2010 was better than this. - Finding an operator can take a loooong time after crossing border - Random restrictions in App Store, like no torrent clients - Generally terrible keyboard for my native language (Hungarian). Prediction and basic accent fixing doesn’t work at all. The exception is when I don’t need to change a word with diacritics… when the keyboard’s dictionary clearly contains them - Apple Maps is still a joke. Many times it doesn’t load the underlying map layer at all. I switch to Google Maps search for what I want, finding it, reading some info, looking some images, then switching back to Apple Maps, and it still doesn’t load. Also, navigation and speed limit information are unreliable to say the least. - Heavily underdocumented MacOS virtualization API, and half the features can’t be used in a real environment, but these restrictions are completely undocumented - Wanting to have a running DNS server is a challenge on MacOS - Unusable GPU when no monitor is connected - You basically need to turn off all security features in MacOS to allow some basic automation, like with FaceTime - Generally terrible compatibility with anything non Apple. Do you want to show your photos on your friend’s random TV without hassle? Good luck. - Many built in features (eg SSH, VNC) are heavily restricted, and good luck if you want to replace them cleanly. Most information on internet is “just use the built in solution”. Also they are many times completely insecure. There are hacks for these, but “they just work” is not true at all. On the level of how “they just work”, top level Android and Windows devices are also on that level for more than a decade in case of Android, and at least 20 years for Windows (if not more). Maybe Apple TV is my only device which just works without hitting some quirks. Especially compared to my other TV and TV adjacent devices. But even here its FaceTime solution, let’s say “interesting”. |
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| ▲ | SvenL 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Based on the latest iOS / MacOS update they don’t want to improve their interfaces anyway. |
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