| ▲ | stavros a day ago |
| I really don't understand people who defend Apple on this. The only reason I can imagine is that they're shareholders who don't use any Apple products, or shareholders who use exclusively Apple products and can't understand what sort of poor scrub might want an accessory not made by them. |
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| ▲ | darkwater a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's the second one, but without being shareholders. |
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| ▲ | tt24 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Strange opinion. Anyone that holds the SP500 (which is probably 99% of HN users between 9am and 5pm PT) are Apple shareholders, and what’s good for Apple is entirely aligned with what’s good for them. Taking a further step back, this same group of HN users probably understands the straightforward idea that what’s good for Bay Area tech companies is beneficial to them in a much broader sense, since they’re generally employed by them or by a very small group of other companies closely related to them. You can accuse them of being greedy, selfish, or whatever, but certainly not that they’re unaware of where their interests lie. |
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| ▲ | hopelite a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | tt24 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your comment is absolutely spot on, no notes. Wish your attitude was more popular and prevalent around here. My guess is that before 2017 or so it used to be. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apparently even Apple doesn't share your opinion. They haven't threatened to leave Europe, Japan or the United States in retaliation for App Store regulations. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's fine, I have no issue with Apple not sharing my opinion. It's a perfectly understandable and respectable business decision. |
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| ▲ | Y-bar a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I don’t see it as a matter of defending Apple, it’s really a matter of technical understanding and competence. So do I. And my >20 years in the business gives me the experience and knowledge to see through Apple’s FUD. > […] but also wanting to benefit from all the work and focus that went into creating it, is understandable to me. It is my device. I paid for it. If Apple thinks they deserve more money for what they did they are free to ask me, the customer, for more money. > […] unelected bureaucratic despots Aha, the dog whistle of the AfD brand of conspiratorial bullshit ”unelected” nonsense! Career bureaucracy is supposed to be certified and educated, not elected, because that is the only way they can properly implement the laws of the electorate. Bureaucracy still answers to elected officials, but they are supposed to act without political interference and provide specialist knowledge. For the same reason you do not vote on every captain and colonel in the military hierarchy, or every tax collector/auditor in your IRS equivalent, you do not vote on every bureaucrat in the Commission tasked to execute and implement law. | |
| ▲ | nutjob2 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Your whole post is an ignorant, ugly and hate filled rant of little value, but I will pick out this one trope: > Not the EU and its blob of unelected bureaucratic despots and unelected Commission of dictators EU haters have two complaints, that it is unelected and that it takes away sovereignty, yet it consists of the members of national governments that not only elect the various officers of the EU (including the Commission) but also vote on all major decisions of the EU, as well as the directly elected EU parliament. So in fact the EU preserves both sovereignty and the votes of EU citizens, both member governments and citizen representatives must approve all EU actions. It's a little complicated sure, apparently too complicated for some to understand. | |
| ▲ | tclancy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Frankly, I wish Apple had the non-binary balls to simply just cut off all iPhones in Europe rather than bend to EU despot dictates Perhaps you should come back when you’re less emotional. Suggesting incredibly poor value for shareholder decision while also being hateful (non-binary balls, indeed) is showing the whole ass. Never go whole ass. | |
| ▲ | llmslave2 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're getting downvoted but it's absolutely true that people simply don't want to (or are incapable) of considering second and third order effects that arise from applying interventions on systems that they do not understand. |
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| ▲ | blell a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | Y-bar a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > always ends up catastrophically. Government intervention like forbidding led-based paints or asbestos in homes? Or government intervention like doing something about the ozone depletion? Government intervention like forbidding roaming fees? Intervention like requiring 3-point seat belts? Like progressive taxation? Like forbidding discrimination based on skin colour? Like air travel safety? Like a max ceiling on credit card fees? Always? | | |
| ▲ | kibbber a day ago | parent [-] | | >Like progressive taxation? Like forbidding discrimination based on skin colour? Ok, sometimes. | | |
| ▲ | Y-bar 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Give an example regulation which has objectively been catastrophic and where there has been no clear attempts at amending or improving it. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Abortion abolition in states that are causing women to die because doctors are afraid to perform them even when it puts the woman’s life in danger not to perform them. It even put the life of a Republican lawmaker in dander in Florida. Of course she blamed democrats. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/22/kat-cammack-... | |
| ▲ | CamperBob2 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some off-the-cuff examples that come to mind: - Drastic overregulation of nuclear energy in the US, resulting in fossil-fuel pollution measurable in gigatons over the past several decades accompanied by literally countless illnesses and premature deaths. - Premature mandates for airbags in cars that resulted in hundreds of needless child deaths because the technology wasn't yet safe enough for universal deployment. A scenario that's playing out right now with misfeatures like automated emergency braking. - The Jones Act (Merchant Marine Act of 1920), whose effects are too convoluted to go into here. - Misguided, market-distorting housing policies, ranging across the spectrum from rent control to Proposition 13. - Many if not most aspects of the War on Drugs, including but not limited to mandatory minimum sentencing and de-facto hardwiring of racial bias into the justice system. | |
| ▲ | kibbber 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I quoted a couple. | | |
| ▲ | Y-bar 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Please provide any tangible evidence that progressive taxation and prohibition on discrimination on the basis of race has been catastrophic. | |
| ▲ | baobun 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You mean with your other sockpuppet account you did? | |
| ▲ | RicDan 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is this a bot account? Why is it green and spouting nonsense? There is nothing quoted in the previous comment | | |
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| ▲ | xandrius a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You call it government intervention, we call it good government. | |
| ▲ | valesco 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hopefully this uniquely American push for dysfunctional government stays on their side of the ocean. | |
| ▲ | stavros a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because a monopoly extracting 30% of every purchase you make is a dream scenario? | | |
| ▲ | tt24 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | How is Apple a monopoly? | | |
| ▲ | stavros 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | They own the only app store you can use on an iPhone. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, using that definition, Walmart, Target, Dollar Tree, my local regional grocery store, Trader Joe's and Ralph's are monopolies as well. They own their shelves and store space, and are the sole arbiters responsible for deciding what is sold within them. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you have purchased your own Walmart and corporate still decides what you sell within it, then yes, that is exactly the same. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, so it has to be something you purchase - we're slowly getting closer to the true opinion here. Sony is a monopoly as well then? They decide what gets sold in the Playstation store. Same with Nintendo. Ford and Tesla are monopolies, they solely decide what is software is sold or used in their car's infotainment center stores, despite the fact that I have purchased the car! AWS is a monopoly, despite the fact that I purchase an EC2 instance from them for one year they will not let me run certain kinds of software on it (Parler, some crypto, etc.) | | |
| ▲ | stavros 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you purchase a physical device, yes. You don't buy devices from AWS, you rent. I'm not sure what's hard about this. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I notice how you intentionally didn't respond to the other two points, interesting. | | |
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