| ▲ | nottorp 11 hours ago |
| > One of the differentiators between iOS and Google was a lack of ads Newsflash: the first slot in an app store search is an ad that is not marked as such. Your extra $100 are already wasted. Here's a nice ad I ran into recently: https://imgur.com/a/sq1HFHK I was trying to install microsoft authenticator and the first "result"... I don't want to know what that is. If they add more ads at the top I suppose I'll have to only use external searches to install apps. |
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| ▲ | krackers 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm surprised that this wasn't brought up during trials as an argument against Apple's supposed "curated" walled-garden. There is a bunch of dangerous scammy junk on there. |
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| ▲ | nottorp 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think I ran into one of the most dangerous situations without looking for it. What happens if you install the first result and put your microsoft account credentials in... |
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| ▲ | audunw 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You say it's not marked as an ad, but in that image there's a clear blue "Ad" label. Are there cases where that label is not present? |
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| ▲ | ulrikrasmussen 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not clearly labeled, it is a very small label with white text on a pale blue background in an already very busy UI. It is clearly made to look like a real search result and not an ad. On top of this, the screenshots are clearly made to mislead the user into thinking that this is the officiel Microsoft authenticator app by having a large text saying "Authenticator for Microsoft" and a second screenshot with a "Microsoft" TOTP entry. This is an example of a company whose financial incentives are in direct conflict with the interests of their users, and so they choose to be complicit in borderline fraudulent auctivities. | | |
| ▲ | coldtea 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | >It's not clearly labeled, it is a very small label with white text on a pale blue background in an already very busy UI. You piled a whole lot of arguments, but doesn't change the fact that it's still clearly labelled. Besides, you only need to notice this box once to be able to tell whether something marked the same way is an ad or not in the future. You're absolutely right on the real problem: it's allowed to present itself, totally convincingly to the average / naive user, as Microsoft sanctioned. | | |
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| ▲ | close04 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I knew the top result is an ad and is marked, and still didn't notice the mark. I think there's actual research put into making these markings "visible" but not "noticeable". And on my phone only the top result shows that big picture banner taking all the attention while the rest of the "real" apps are presented as one liners. [1] But what's worse than an ad is that too many times these apps are actually scammy. A whole host of apps with almost identical and misleading names, icons, banner pictures, descriptions, developer names, and so on. Ok, I search for Netflix and you show me Prime first is one think. But showing me a scam app is a different offense altogether. And it doesn't matter if your phone costs $600 or $1600 you'll get served up to the scammers just the same. [1] https://imgur.com/a/BkGmPGc | |
| ▲ | teekert 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A clear blue ad label!! Is this sarcasm? Your remark is so dystopian, you full accepted this as normal. Btw, I'm checking now, the label "ad" is not there, it's just highlighted. Or is it that blue tag? I thought that signified in-app ads? Shouldn't the highlight itself have a label? Probably this is some A/B test optimized BS, that tag was the option where most people WRONGLY clicked on the stuff they didn't search for. When I came from Android I first couldn't figure out why app store search was so bad. Dumb me, expecting the highlighted option to be something most relevant to ME and MY search, no it's most relevant to some paying company and can even be a scam. And you and me can reason through this, but my kids get this BS as well, the grow up with this as normal. You search for something, you don't get what you search for. This is our normal. Absolute disappointment on day 1 with iOS. My next phone will be something like FairPhone with e/OS or Sailfish. Or I'll wait for that Graphene hardware partner stuff to finally be revealed. I'm so sick of this bs. You pay a lot of money for something and they slap you with ads. Same on smart TVs, my Philips Hue system (hundreds, maybe thousands of euros I spend on that), ads ads ads. | | |
| ▲ | senordevnyc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It must be absolutely exhausting to be so pissed off about every little thing like this. | | |
| ▲ | teekert 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It can certainly be. But I try to just focus on alternatives. But it really pisses me off when I spend money on something, and then after that it enshitifies (ie Philips/Signify Hue). Ah well, being annoyed by and pissed off at iOS just makes me spend less time on the thing, so that's good. |
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| ▲ | nottorp 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Seriously? I haven't noticed it. Maybe it's clear to you... or you work in marketing and have a different definition of "clear". Note that this is a screenshot from a hi dpi iphone that went through a few upload/download/reencode cycles [1] so it lost all density information. On the real phone screen the "Ad" thing is extremely tiny and unnoticeable. [1] Downloaded it from my work chat where i posted it as a warning to my colleagues a couple days ago. | | |
| ▲ | al_borland 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The whole background of the ads are also a light blue, in contrast to the white background of organic results. I want all the ads to go away, and misleading apps should be removed from the store and certainly not promoted via ads… but I also don’t want ads to be flashing and being annoying in the name of being “clearly” market. Some people won’t notice anything, no matter how obvious. |
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| ▲ | squigz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's marked as an ad the exact same way they do it on Android and the exact same way it's done on Google. These responses are a bit surprising. I wonder how people would have responded if this were about Android. | | |
| ▲ | georgemcbay a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | > I wonder how people would have responded if this were about Android. As someone who uses both Android and iOS (the dual usage being in large part because I develop software for both) if this were about Android I wouldn't be surprised in the least, but I do find it surprising for Apple to increasingly allow for this sort of thing. IMO the major positive differentiators Apple has over Google as a phone OS provider are the perception of protecting user privacy and also not plastering ads everywhere. This example weakens both of those perceptions at the same time. So (for me) its not about Apple being worse than Google when it comes to this stuff, its just surprising they are willing to be as bad. | |
| ▲ | nottorp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It's marked as an ad the exact same way they do it on Android and the exact same way it's done on Google. That is, in the most deceiving way they could think of while still being able to say they marked it. | | |
| ▲ | squigz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's really not that deceptive. It says "Ad", right there. I can think of about 40 different, more deceptive ways they could have gone. If that was their goal... they failed. |
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| ▲ | gardenhedge 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the comments are in the context of the top level comment which says: > One of the differentiators between iOS and Google was a lack of ads > Increasing ads, or having them at all, really erodes the user experience > Apple managed to become the most valuable company in the world without ads |
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| ▲ | teekert 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| OMG, this requires it's own submission here on HN, I suggest you do it, this egregious. How low has Apple sunk. This is "the luxury brand" people. |
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| ▲ | nottorp 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Meh. Context: we're migrating to MS cloud services at work from Google so everyone is setting up accounts, authenticators etc. Pretty seamless migration overall btw, guess our admins worked like dogs. So I post this screenshot in a work chat as a warning (that's why i still have it). All my Android using colleagues tell me "it's the same in the Play Store, watch what you click." | | |
| ▲ | teekert 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | So it really is normal, wherever you go. We're not even surprised about it, let alone outraged. We've lost. | | |
| ▲ | nottorp 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Or maybe Apple lost. I haven't used their store for application discovery since i had an iPad 1 and it was the latest model. | |
| ▲ | senordevnyc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or maybe this just doesn’t matter that much? “When I search for something, I have to flick my finger a quarter inch to scroll past an ad! It’s the end of all that is good in the world!” |
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| ▲ | latexr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s well known that the App Store is a cesspool of scam apps and ads, they’ve been criticised for many years for it, including by prominent Apple-centric blogs and authors, many of them submitted to HN over the years. |
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| ▲ | ulrikrasmussen 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is the same experience on Play Store. 100% of the time, the top result when I search is NOT what I want but something completely irrelevant or downright fraudulent and/or misleading. And Google is complicit in this fraud by even selling no 1. search results. |
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| ▲ | noname120 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I hate so much the fact that you can’t disable app store search ads. Like shove ads down users’ throat if you want, but at least give the chance to the ones who can’t tolerate them to opt out. It’s hostile on people with attentional dysregulation such as ADHD people. |
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| ▲ | teekert 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yeah it's so cheap! The whole app store feel like that: I go there to install an app I know and need, and am immediately slapped in the face with anime girl dating games. WTF. I feel ashamed if people would see my screen like that. Absolute garbage experience, and I came from Android expecting to "the luxury platform", I paid 2x what I usually do for a Phone. What a disappointment in step 1. |