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cracki 5 hours ago

Time to ban all adverts everywhere. I'm not the only one who is fed up with ads.

I don't see ads, thanks to ad blocking tech in browsers and smartphones. Any time that happens to fail and I get to endure an ad, I am amazed that regular people without ad blocking tech can endure this onslaught.

The time to negotiate a "middle ground" is long past. Let's not even entertain that idea.

An acceptable middle ground could have been designated areas for ads, which you have to seek out to see them. Think of the Yellow Pages.

Ad companies need to be reined in. They cannot control themselves. They are lobbying against all limits and controls. The only solution is to eradicate ads entirely and to make sure that anyone who gets that idea will never get it again.

Insanity 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

One that is really insane to me is Ads when driving on the highway. I can’t recall seeing that in Europe, but now in Canada when I take the highway there’s Ads everywhere. Some of them rotate.

Ironically they also have a sign that changes, one of the updates is “don’t drive distracted”… and like, I wasn’t distracted until the sign flashed at me lol.

unyttigfjelltol 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What you are observing is the trick the industry used to get approval for changing LED billboards— they “donate” say fifteen hours per month to public service announcements. This kind of concession is gold to an ambitious public servant, the old prohibitions never stood a chance. The PSA could be “stop electronic billboards” but that was the way they got through high-friction public processes.

Good org on the other side of the issue: Scenic America: https://www.scenic.org/why-scenic-conservation/billboards-an...

werdnapk 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I saw many billboard ads on Portugal (Europe) highways. As a Canadian, it seemed like a lot.

jeroenhd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Europe has billboards too. Perhaps not everywhere, and not as bad as some other places, but it does exist, and it is infuriating. I don't think I've seen them flash intentionally, but nobody seems to be too interested in fixing broken LED bulbs.

I even saw a "you should be looking at the road" ad on one of those billboards.

nish__ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly. Premier Ford you listening?

mikkupikku 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Legal ads in product catalogues only. Product catalogues are actually useful and nobody is subjected to them unless they chose to seek one out and pick it up willingly.

duskdozer 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm glad to hear someone else come to this as the solution for ads.

nish__ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wait, what? I'm confused. Is the entire product catalogue considered an ad? Or do you mean parts of a product catalogue can contain adverts? I'd argue a product catalogue is not advertising at all.

Blackthorn an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Anderton's (a music retailer in the UK) has an enormously popular YouTube channel (1M subs) which is basically just them demoing their stock while shooting the breeze. It's 100% an advertisement, but it's the sort that most people (including myself, who otherwise hates ads) is fine with because you have to seek it out.

mikkupikku 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I consider each product listing in a catalogues to be ads, or perhaps the whole catalogues is one big aggregate ad. Either way, I'm fine with them. Product catalogues are mostly innocuous and usually provide more empirical product information than other forms of advertisement.

nish__ 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Cool, I'm fine with them too. As long as they're not mailed out without consent.

immibis an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Of course it's advertising. It's telling you about products you can buy, pushed by people who want you to buy those products, and they can pay money to be on an earlier page (we should probably ban that). But the general idea of a product catalogue shouldn't be illegal even if ads are illegal, because it's actually useful and non-invasive.

a2dam 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ads are speech. Replace all mention of "ads" in your post with "speech I don't like" and see how it reads.

delecti 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Time, place, and manner restrictions already exist on speech. I'm not an anti-ad absolutist, but it would be perfectly fine by me, and most people not financially incentivized otherwise, to place time, place, and manner restrictions on ads. I'd love a blanket ban on billboards, for example.

psychoslave 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also porn is related to free speech.

There is no need to be a puritan against any form of pornography to expect consensus against having most addictive/eye-catching porn ostensibly displayed everywhere in the public sphere. And it’s perfectly clear that it’s actually possible to be simultaneously fine with people watching all the porn they want in their private sphere if they are warned willing adults.

nautikos1 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There needs to be a distinction between "free speech" and "bought speech".

PartiallyTyped 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Ads are speech until they are intrusive, until they track you across websites, until they violate your privacy.

It's one thing to have a block of HTML dedicated to ads, and another to have YOUR shit running on my machine WITHOUT my consent.

charlesabarnes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I need people to give this sort of idea more serious thought.

I honestly don't think it's an insane proposition and we've let ad companies go too far. Anything they stick their hands in gets worse, full stop.

baubino 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A simpler solution is to allow the device owner to turn off ads. Ads on purchased devices should be opt-in, not default and not mandatory.

jeroenhd an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's not as easy with some digital devices (even TVs these days), but fridges are a category where I can decisively say people who don't want ads can just buy a version without ads.

If a fridge maker wants to sell you a cheaper fridge subsidized by ads, I don't think that's a problem as long as tracking is optional.

ForceBru 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Unfortunately, the whole point is that along with the fridge/whatever tech you purchase a billboard and willingly bring ads into your home. Of course ads on purchased devices should be mandatory AND we customers will soon be expected to pay a "subscription fee" to temporarily unsubscribe from the ads. What kind of company would possibly make ads opt-in? IMO allowing the owner to turn off ads is a problem (for the company), not a solution

immibis an hour ago | parent [-]

That's fine. They can simply charge for the product what it costs to make, like they always did before, and if they find that nobody uses the "enable ads" button (because why would they?) they can save some maintenance effort by removing that button. They might even find the fridge doesn't need a wifi chip and can be cheaper.

RataNova 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem isn't just "ads exist", it’s that ads have become a business model that rewards being as intrusive and manipulative as possible

conception an hour ago | parent [-]

This has always been the case though. They just got better tools over time.

adamwong246 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I love the idea, but our whole world is built on advertising. A world without ads does not seem possible. The internet mostly works only because of advertisements.

quesera 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Internet worked before advertising.

It was different, but it was great. I would absolutely go back.

ajs1998 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I would not go back. YouTube is a wonderful thing that I can't afford to pay for, and I don't want to live without. There are so many creators I love that would not be able to create and share beautiful things if they didn't get ad money. It's not all bad.

quesera an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I agree that it's not all bad.

But if I had to choose one or the other, I'd choose no ads.

And that's only comparing "then" to "now". I'm confident that "now" will get worse in the future, making "then" all the more appealing!

I'm all for the idea of small content creators being able to afford to create their work. I wish content creation did not attract so many people who only do it for money, though. Maybe this would be achievable if the rewards were lower. Advertising sucks all the air out of the room for alternative funding mechanisms. If ads were eliminated, there would be other mechanisms.

However, back in reality, I'll concede that (e.g.) Google's massive ad revenue has given them the ability to try a thousand other things, a handful of which will be long-term valuable to the world. But the cost is immense.

adamwong246 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

yeah but what if (just hear me out) we just SELL our content. Money exchanged for goods rendered. Why subsidize this exchange with ads?

mhinze an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I would too. Society would not.

immibis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Of course it's possible. We just don't have the courage to make it happen.

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goncharom an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Relevant read (not my own): https://simone.org/advertising/

andrewrn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are billions of dollars motivated against this outcome

nish__ 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There are billions of lives motivated for it.

immibis an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Lives are worth nothing in the kind of economy we find ourselves in right now. Lives are sacrificed for dollars every day.

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krapp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No there aren't. There are not billions of people motivated for the total elimination of all advertisements everywhere. The vast majority of humans do not care one way or another, and most of those who dislike advertising probably wouldn't support banning them entirely.

nish__ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes. There most certainly are. The vast majority of humans are not benefiting from it and are therefore motivated against it.

Also, they do care. They just might not be consciously aware of the damage it causes.

krapp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>The vast majority of humans are not benefiting from it and are therefore motivated against it.

The vast majority of humans don't benefit from most things, but they are not therefore motivated against most things. That's not how motivation works.

>Also, they do care they just might not be consciously aware of the damage it causes.

So the one thing the entire human race agrees on is that advertising is evil, just unconsciously? They don't realize it but somehow you do?

No, sorry. I have assume you're trolling. Good show, you managed to annoy me.

nish__ an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You must own shares in Google. The vast majority of humans are motivated against inequality. Advertising creates a larger wealth gap. The fact that you're annoyed by me says a lot more about the type of person you are than anything else. And no I'm not "trolling". Grow up and reconsider your insane position.

pixl97 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

>The vast majority of humans are motivated against inequality

Citation please.

Humans are an apathetic bunch.

krapp an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The vast majority of humans don't consider advertisement to be as fundamental a form of inequality as you seem to.

The fact that you can't comprehend my disagreement in good faith demonstrates that there's no point in continuing this conversation. No, I don't own shares in Google, nor am I insane. I think you're the one who needs to broaden their horizons a bit. Good day.

adamwong246 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Mn2NbjlqU

basilgohar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think, if given the conscious choice, people would choose to not have ads as they are now. The point is, that choice is not given, and most people don't know how to eliminate them from their lives, or that they even have a choice

A lot happens in the world because people are passive, or prioritize their attention on other things, not that they are "okay" with it. If it was made easy for them, they'd choose it.

Lobbying ensures such choices are taken away from people, outside of the envelop of actionability by most people.

adamwong246 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I floated an idea past my partner- facebook without ads. They responded without hesitation "but I like the ads!"

qwerpy 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

My wife also likes ads. It drives me crazy. Half of the time she’s on instagram, she’s paging through ads. At least we have agreed to minimize our children’s exposure to ads. For example if there’s an educational show only on YouTube I will download it and they watch it offline. We will never buy a kitchen appliance with ads on it.

hiddencost 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I thought you were being sarcastic at the start.

Vermont bans billboards on high ways. It's so nice.

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wslh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree, ads are inserted everywhere, also hidden, and has surpassed the physiological threshold and brain barriers for a more healthy life (e.g. attention and feelings).

ModernMech an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with you on the total ad ban, but this has more about schizophrenia than ads. I've had to care for someone with schizoaffective disorder and she would tell me the smoke detectors were spying on us because of the red light in it, so we had to cover it with electrical tape or she would become too distressed. She told me the cats were spies with CIA microchips in them. The fridge ad is incidental -- if weren't the fridge it would have been something else.

bamboozled 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The current admin will get right on that …

spaqin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's a worldwide issue. Even the OP link was to an UK-based subreddit.

idle_zealot 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To be clear, Dems are about as unlikely to do this as the Trump administration is. This is the sort of generational reform that requires a redefining of a political party.

sumnole an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Ads really aren't that bad. Targeted ads may even help you discover products you'll enjoy.

The ad in the article is pretty obviously an ad to anyone that can read the words, "New Series. Start Watching".

Ads like these that randomly display during idle is hardly what I consider invasive.

Hopefully OP's sister gets her mental health under control, but I wouldn't immediately raise pitch forks to ban an entire industry vital to the economy and business-consumer communication.

beached_whale 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why should one have to endure the intrusion? Why does every product need adverts as it seems to be the place society is going? They are that bad and their place is only potentially in the places that people are looking for said products.

When every product has adverts, is it a choice any longer? Even finding devices, like TV's without ads is more difficult( no on is advertising them :) ) and paying more is often not an option.

darknavi 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> hardly what I consider invasive

This is an ad in someone's kitchen in their home. How can it get more invasive?

sumnole 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

And a banner ad may display on a laptop in your home, what's your point? Location or device type matters not. This ad doesn't interrupt the user or demand any attention.

estimator7292 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

We have AI deepfake celebrities selling boner pills on YouTube.

Ads absolutely are that bad