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GaryBluto 2 hours ago

It's kind of shocking to me that so many people would download an app like this and sign in using their actual YouTube account.

retSava 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not just cost and ads. It's having the possibility to reduce attempts to manipulate my inner reptile brain. With various clients, you can disable shorts, recommended, you have sponsorblock, you can replace youtube-face-thumbs with actual thumbs and get crowd-sourced titles that better reflect the contents.

I also don't need to manually go set speed to 1.75x and enable subs in english, it's a one-time setting. _Further_ I can download a video locally, for whatever reason (later viewing, bw throttling, risk of deletion, etc).

As if that weren't enough, I don't have to watch videos logged in, my client is just set up to download my select channels.

I now see zero use of a youtube account.

dottjt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it's more shocking to people how much YouTube Premium costs.

M4v3R 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is $14 dollars for ad-free, unlimited access to literally billions of videos really a steep price? Personally if I were to get rid of all but one of my media subscriptions I would stick with this one, since it's got everything - entertainment, education, inspiration, you name it.

homebrewer 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

$14 is two days worth of living in my country for your average man on the street, among many other similar places. Imagine if you had to pay $200 to watch YouTube, that's how much these services cost for us.

They refuse to correct for purchasing power parity and are left with nothing in the end. Steam seems to do very well in comparison.

(I don't watch YouTube even for free, but practically everybody I know does without paying anything, and it makes a lot of sense).

dottjt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When the alternative is the exact same thing you describe but for $0 dollars, then yes.

graemep an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am not going to watch billions of Videos.

Its not entirely ad free, just fewer ads, AFAIK sponsored segments remain so there are still ads, sometimes quite lengthy ones.

$14/month is $168 an year, and if you subscribe to multiple other video services the annual total is going to be quite high.

cyberax 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

SponsorBlock helps with them.

podgietaru 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not to mention included YouTube Music. It's one of the few subs I pay for, because I watch a _lot_ of YouTube on the TV. And also like to have it in the background for "Podcast" style videos where the video is really only an accompaniment.

londons_explore 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

14 dollars a month for a decade is $1680.

To save $1680 I'd prefer to just use an adblocker (which I have done for the past decade)

hhh an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, and you choose to risk losing the most important platform to humanity next to Wikipedia. Youtube should be a public service.

graemep an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I am dubious about the importance of Youtube. If it disappeared tomorrow how long would it take for most videos to reappear elsewhere? Some of the creators I watch do have the videos available elsewhere. Veritasium is on Odysee, lots of people are on Nebula (and release videos there that are not on Youtube), etc.

I think there is a good argument that having a single dominant platform has been harmful.

Rastonbury an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Insane hyperbole here, this guy's adblock = risking humanity losing it's 2nd most important platform owned by one of the most profitable companies in the world

OpenAI thought of it first, should YouTube get a government backstop too?

latexr 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Let’s not get too hasty comparing YouTube to Wikipedia. Maybe what you watch on YouTube is interesting and educational, but let’s not forget it’s also a major platform for misinformation, propaganda, conspiracy theories, radicalisation, scams…

NaomiLehman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

YouTube wouldn't exist as a public service. there would be no incentive to make videos

spaqin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's extremely subjective, but I'd rather save that $14 a month towards retirement. And if YouTube was only available with ads... well, that's no videos for me, maybe for the better, I would waste less time.

didntcheck an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sure, and you're free to

1. Save $14 for retirement and not watch Youtube

2. Save $14 for retirement and watch Youtube with ads

3. Pay $14 a month for Youtube without ads

The only option that's not fair is expecting private companies and creators to give you entertainment and its delivery with nothing in return

malka1986 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Google is free to block me / my IP / ban my account.

consp an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Google uses your data and habits for profit. Dont pretend it's free.

GoblinSlayer 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I get cat videos through messengers.

tcfhgj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

$14 dollars better spent on liberapay

krige 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>ad-free

hasn't been in over a year

Wilya 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Youtube premium is still ad-free. There is a Youtube premium lite which is kinda-ad-free-but-not-really, but the full ad-free one still exists.

tcfhgj an hour ago | parent [-]

youtube premium has sponsorblock integrated now?

fragmede 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

basically, yeah. there's a white fast forward button that appears during frequently fast forwarded sections, which unsurprisingly happens to be sponsor sections.

denkmoon 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

??? I've been on youtube premium / redtube since the beginning and I've been served 1 ad incorrectly in that time.

rkomorn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> YouTube premium / redtube

I just googled redtube and uh... are you sure?

codeflo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

YouTube Premium was originally called YouTube Red. Grandparent poster may have made a Freudian slip. :)

rkomorn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I know, I was just being... sassy. Partly because I didn't actually need to google it.

fragmede 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

YouTube Red was the previous name of YouTube Premium, probably renamed because of the unfortunate name clash you just noticed.

malka1986 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I hate google, and I refuse to give them any money.

tcfhgj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I really couldn't care less about me youtube account

impulsivepuppet 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can't help but think that this is a "I have nothing to hide" argument. It's quite sisyphean to keep accounts perfectly segregated, therefore there's always a chance that personal information can be traced back and pieced together; which, in turn, has "boring-old security" implications: i.e., now someone possibly knows your habbits and times when you are at work

tcfhgj an hour ago | parent [-]

my "personal" information there is as personal as my profile here

GaryBluto 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

YouTube accounts and Google accounts have been one in the same since 2009.

defrost 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Many people have had multiple gmail accounts since 2004.

I have a gmail account used solely for google store and Android TV related verifications that's unlike other business, personal, registration, or spam email accounts.

The TV's in the house, smart wifi devices, and guest wifi accounts are on separate subnets, the NAS hosted media has limited read only keyhole access accounts for TV apps to use.

Whether it's SmartTube or any other app (iView, SBSOnline, Netflix, etc) it's wise to assume that anyone can be comprised by malware to sniff traffic for (say) bank account passwords, host bots for DDOS or mining, etc.

lan321 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Obligatory call to free yourselves from having GMail as your (only) main email and especially to not tie it to YT or other unrelated services.

I can absolutely imagine my YT accounts at some point getting banned for using adblock, some stupid private upload or some comment.

temp0826 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Having your own domain name is the best option (ideally not hosting on gsuite!)

VerifiedReports an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

one AND the same

tcfhgj an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

how does this matter?

homebrewer 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

You risk losing your entire Google account along with all documents, photos, mail, and whatever else you have there. Enough stories of this happening if you look around.