| ▲ | more_corn 5 hours ago |
| Is there anything we can do about it short of avoiding new cars? Our legislators have proven unwilling to pass real privacy laws. |
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| ▲ | chasing0entropy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes - remove the telematics radio and GPS antennas. They are usually in the overhead console area around/behind the lighting and mirror controls. In BMWs, the gps antenna is behind the upper lights, the telematics and V2V antenna is in the sharkfin(unplug it from underneath the headliner) |
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| ▲ | ryandrake 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Giving car companies your money (and then modifying your car) is still rewarding car companies for their bad behavior. We really need to stop buying new cars and somehow make it clear that telematics are the reason, but it's never going to happen. Not enough people care, and of those who care, not enough of them care enough to stop buying these cars. | |
| ▲ | f1shy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In some seem to be in the fin antenna: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OqFdFO_STJ0 | |
| ▲ | encom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | But what's the point if you're just going to use Android Auto or Apple's car-thing instead? You're just letting some other company invade your privacy. | | |
| ▲ | Proofread0592 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Consent and convenience. When I use google maps, I am trading my privacy for accurate directions and traffic times. When I buy a car that sells my location, and I get nothing in return, I feel like the deal is inequitable. | |
| ▲ | jeroenhd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | OsmAnd works fine in Android Auto with WiFi and mobile data turned off. Sygic does too. I believe TomTom also sells navigation apps that will work fine under these conditions. I use Android Auto mostly because I don't trust manufacturers of car components to maintain their software and to put more than bargain bin SoCs in their infotainment consoles. There's no need for your Android phone to have a connection to the outside world if all you're using it for is locally installed apps. | |
| ▲ | baobun an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Assuming things much? It's actually totally reasonable to opt out of both of those, too. Then on the other hand, who cares about those when your car is already tracking you? /s That kind of helpless reasoning needs to die. |
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| ▲ | stavros 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In my BYD Seal, I removed the SIM card that's easily accessible from inside the armrest compartment. |
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| ▲ | markus_zhang 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe there is a way to pollute the data? At least it makes data cleaning more expensive. |
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| ▲ | DonHopkins 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ride a bike. |
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| ▲ | pixelpoet 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've never had a driver's licence, lived in a zillion countries; don't think I could do that in America though. | | |
| ▲ | Retric 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Over half of New York City households are car-free. That jumps to 3/4 in Manhattan. Millions of American households don’t have a car, but you rarely hear about it as a viable option. | | |
| ▲ | JoeBOFH 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Because as soon as you leave a major metropolitan area, not having a car is almost a nonstarter. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's the same in Europe, but people pushing an agenda don't talk about that either. | |
| ▲ | add-sub-mul-div 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Over 100 million people live in just the top 20 metro areas alone. It's hardly an edge case. | | |
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| ▲ | calvinmorrison 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "the best public transit in the densest US city barely manages to reach 50% of car-free lifestyle" is what you're leaving out. |
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| ▲ | chneu 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not possible when things are 10+ mile apart and a general grocery run takes 3+ hours and you can't carry more than a backpack, so you have to do it multiple times a week. | | |
| ▲ | Zigurd an hour ago | parent [-] | | The US is ripe for an e-bike revolution. The distances, the wide roads with plenty of room for bike lanes, and the revulsion against things like Flock... Unfortunately it's as likely as this being the year of the Linux desktop because Windows 11. |
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| ▲ | throwaway2027 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No. Enjoy the ride. |
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| ▲ | qmr 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Defeatist and cowardly. | | |
| ▲ | randallsquared 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Given that GP is accepting a level of additional risk which you profess not to be willing to accept, perhaps "cowardly" is not the correct adjective. |
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| ▲ | amelius 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Moving to the EU becomes a more appealing option every day. |
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| ▲ | pixelpoet 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Greetz from Germany, we have Chat Control now even though we've been trying to reject it for at least 3 years. Autocracy is just everywhere these days, Noah get the boat. | | |
| ▲ | jeroenhd an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The Chat Control problem isn't nearly as final as some news sources try to brand it. They were running up against deadlines and submitted their work knowing statistically their proposal would get shot down based on existing voting rounds. I, too, would rather see this bullshit die in committee before reaching the next stage, but this bullshit can still be stopped. | |
| ▲ | fsflover 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is false, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46063166 |
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| ▲ | f1shy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No panacea here! Better in some points. In general privacy. OTOH many things are not afvancing. | |
| ▲ | closewith 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the EU, eCall is mandatory and disabling it fails most roadworthiness checks and voids most insurance policies, so it doesn't help much. Also, while the EU does (for now) have stronger privacy protections for citizens against corporate interests, the opposite is true in most EU countries for Government surveillance. | | |
| ▲ | deno 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | eCall has very strong privacy protections, see Article 6: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2015/758/oj | | |
| ▲ | closewith 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | While eCall has some weak privacy protections (it's open to all the standard cellular network surveillance lawful in each country), it also means you cannot disable the vehicle's modem in most (maybe all) EU countries with failing roadworthiness checks and insurance policies. | | |
| ▲ | jeroenhd an hour ago | parent [-] | | eCall mustn't be active until an accident occurs. The lawful interception lobby tried hard to turn every car into a free data point they could sell to the government, but their efforts have failed. Last I heard they've shifted their efforts to making remote activation of on-board cameras part of the 5/6G smart car bullshit (which will of course be part of road safety requirments not long after). | | |
| ▲ | closewith 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No, that's not correct. The eCall spec requires self-checks that include registering with the network on at least every ignition. However, more importantly, it means you can't lawfully disable the modem that the manufacturer uses for its own telemetry. |
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| ▲ | CamperBob2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This crap is being done because of EU rules. It's "for your protection." The vehicles are being secured from you. https://www.coro.net/blog/what-new-eu-cybersecurity-rules-me... https://www.dw.com/en/new-eu-cybersecurity-rules-push-carmak... |
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