| ▲ | wiseowise 3 hours ago |
| > Too much psychology talk in every day life I'm curious to hear how often do you hear it in every day life outside of the internet. |
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| ▲ | tossandthrow 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| In all fairness, the internet is for many people a near 100% part of their life. Especially for people working remotely without a family. |
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| ▲ | koakuma-chan an hour ago | parent [-] | | HN is like 70% of my life. | | |
| ▲ | pxc 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I also spend what feels to me like a lot of time here. I like it, despite its problems. But HN isn't good enough to deserve to be 70% of anyone's life. :( |
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| ▲ | sho_hn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It definitely does feel like every American I know "has a therapist", sometimes. |
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| ▲ | bear141 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I used to think that therapists were ridiculous. But after having one for six or seven years now, I realize that it’s literally just someone you pay to help you be the happiest and best version of yourself. Maybe everyone doesn’t need that, but I don’t think anyone is inherently always the best version of themselves. What’s the point of not trying to be a little better? | | |
| ▲ | saghm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I feel like the world would be a much better place if literally everyone did have a therapist. Having a neutral, trained professional you talk you for 45 minutes twice a month about things that are tough in your life is not something that should alarm people, but being vehemently against it honestly kind of is... | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The main issue is that therapy is expensive, and it's very middle-class to have the money to afford one long-term like that. Working class people have had to suck it up, or (preferably) have a good support network themselves. While I am inclined to agree that most people would benefit from having a professional to talk to, it'd need to be economically viable as well. But we're seeing this happening in real time; on the one side there's lower cost online councelling available (but whether that's actually certified professionals is debatable), and on the other ChatGPT became the biggest and most popular therapist almost overnight. But again, not sure if it has the necessary certifications, I suppose it's believable enough. I also want to believe OpenAI and all the other AI suppliers have hired professionals to direct the "chatbot as therapist" AI persona, especially now that the lawsuits for people losing their sanity or life after talking to AI are gaining traction. | |
| ▲ | flatline an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have been in therapy on and off through most of my life. There are parts of the process and the profession that are helpful. There are also parts that are paternalistic bordering on abusive. “Literally just someone you pay to the be happiest…” is a small part of the picture. I take issue with this view of therapy, and the idea that it is somehow a universal force for good that will benefit everyone. I have met some pretty unhinged therapists - both as a client and socially. I won’t even go into the history of psychiatry and clinical care. One of the questions I like to pose is, what are we doing as a society by sending so many people to therapy? What do these practices do at a large scale? And to all those who decry things like gun violence: if you think our current mental health system would somehow be able to address the larger ills of society if only they had more funding, I have some serious questions about your view of its overarching effectiveness, and the specific effects of these practices. | |
| ▲ | 21asdffdsa12 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The digestion juices of individualistic society? |
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| ▲ | n4r9 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How is it different to having a personal trainer for your physical fitness? | | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | In theory, at one point people will be done with therapy. I think a better analogy is a physical therapist; you go to one because of an injury. A personal trainer is for boosting your physical health / performance. For mental health, you'd get a coach, training, or read one of many self-help books, not a therapist. | | |
| ▲ | pxc 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There are multiple kinds of psychological counseling. Some "supportive therapy" really is more of an ongoing thing, like having a personal trainer. Some kinds of psychological therapy always aim to have a terminus, like physical therapy. |
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| ▲ | sho_hn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Having a personal trainer for your physical fitness is something I'd expect a very low percentage of very wealthy individuals to have access to. Therapy appears to be more prevalent. | | |
| ▲ | n4r9 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | By "personal trainer" I just mean someone that you pay for a training session 1-3x per week. It's a comparable expense to therapy (depending on qualifications etc...). |
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| ▲ | null_deref 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What do you mean by “has a therapist”? Do they just mention it in passing, or do they bring up takeaways from their sessions in everyday conversation?
If it’s the latter, I’m not sure that’s really about mental-health openness. It feels more like a broader social habit, the need to present yourself as someone who’s constantly working on every aspect of your life. That’s a different modern-society quirk altogether. | | | |
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| ▲ | GJim an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I recall when I first visited the USA and walked into an American bookshop... ... the selves of 'self-help' books I found utterly bizarre. It was very much an eye-opener into the differences of our cultures. | | |
| ▲ | zozbot234 an hour ago | parent [-] | | "Self-help" is more like a modern folk religion than anything to do with actual psychology. |
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| ▲ | walthamstow 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At work, like all the time? Empowerment, values, growth mindset, psychological safety, mindfulness, emotional intelligence... |
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| ▲ | asmor an hour ago | parent [-] | | Half of these aren't people talking about mental health problems, but preconditions for mental health. That's your problem? | | |
| ▲ | walthamstow an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Seems like we both agree that psychological language can be common in everyday offline life, such as at work for a large company. I don't have a problem with it, not sure where you got that from. | |
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| ▲ | Fluorescence an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Probably not what the parent is referring to, but there is 'therapy speak' and similar phenomena where a pop-sci bowdlerisation of professional practices or scientific theories become absorbed into the culture and change the way we express ourselves. There is pathologisation which can be whimsical e.g. tidying/organising becomes OCD, studying becomes autistic or exaggerative e.g. sadness becoming depression, a bad experience becoming trauma or in order condemn e.g a political policy becomes sociopathic. There is the way 'therapy speak' spills over into daily life e.g. your use of the work-kitchen must respect boundaries, leaving the milk out is triggering, the biscuits are my self-care etc. There is also 'neuroscience speak' where people express their emotions in terms of neurotransmitters e.g. motivation and stimulation becomes 'dopamine', happiness and love become 'serotonin', stress becomes 'cortisol' etc. It's just the way language and culture works and it now pulls more from science than myth and religion. New language might just be replacing older bowdlerisations e.g. hysteria. In the 'therapy-speak' cases, it's interesting how it often replaces more moralistic language and assertions about values that used be described in terms of manners, civility, respectability etc. |