> unlimited storage

Surely it's not actually unlimited. I wish such claims wouldn't be as common in the industry.

PaulRobinson 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's a little like "unlimited holidays". If you turn up on day 1 and then say "Right, I'm off on my unlimited holidays! See you never!" and disappeared, they would stop paying you. There is an implicit fair use clause in all unlimited offers - I know a guy who pushed back on "unlimited holidays" because he didn't want to get penalised in performance reviews and it turns out that in his UK-based org it was 29 days a year, or one day more than the legal statutory minimum.

Firms like penpot are basically saying "look, if you pay us this much, we're not going to put hard quotas on you, just get on with it", but if you then try storing backups of annas archive on it, they are probably going to suggest that you are not operating within the spirit of the agreement, even if you're within the letter of it: fair use will apply.

Some people like to know where they stand. They want hard quotas. So fine, ask them for hard quotas. Ask for the fair use clause and understand it.

Most of us know what it means (it's a soft quota with fair use limitations), and are happy with not abusing the tier and having a bit more freedom, though.

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noduerme 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hah. I'm a self employed freelancer, but a friend works for (MegaCorp Intl) and every time we go for beers he mentions that he has "Unlimited Paid Time Off". But whenever I ask if that means he could take a few months to hike the Andes with me, he says.... well, no, actually they'd fire him if he took too much time. How much is too much? I ask. Well basically anything that would make them notice his absence, apparently.

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falcor84 an hour ago | parent [-]

And there's a problem in the other direction too - I don't expect people who really can leave for a few months without their absence being noticable to have much job security.

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noduerme 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is a corporate culture thing. I can be in the middle of nowhere for months, and it makes no difference to my clients. No one even notices. I have a phone that always rings, and laptop. I don't have a corporate health plan or a 401k but I don't have to ask permission..

	▲	sallveburrpi 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		But if you are still reachable you aren’t on time off… I also work remotely from anywhere; doesn’t mean I’m constantly on vacation

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poly2it 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The issue is that if storage is too cheap, people will inevitably mine filecoin on it. Additionally, promising "unlimited storage" and not holding that promise might be a legal liability.

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written-beyond 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

I laughed but also hate the fact that the world needs to worry about "file coin" ruining it for us.

	▲	sallveburrpi 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Tbh if it wasn’t crypto it would be something else - people always find a way. Tragedy of the commons or something like that

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tossandthrow 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It likely is as it is not general purpose storage.

Even though your Linux iso's are called "images", they can not be added to a penpot design file - sorry to say.

	▲	kuschku 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Can penpot import images? Given enough time, anything that can store PNG will become an automated backup backend

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walski 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does it really matter if in real-world-use 99% of the users never hit any limit? And I cannot blame anyone to use "unlimited" instead of "fair use, with reasonably large limits so that you will (probably) never see any restrictions in your use of the product"

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okhobb 4 hours ago | parent [-]

HN users want to know if you're allowed to host the whole Internet on it.

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reddalo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Creative people could start encoding terabytes of movies inside of Penpot documents.

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tonyhart7 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is why we can't have nice things.

People see 'unlimited' and will do everything in their power to 'fact-check' it, forcing the producer to place a 'hard cap' and making everyone's life worse.

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wltr 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Don’t use the unlimited lie then, I assume.

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tonyhart7 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not a lie if no one is abusing it.

Travel to high trust societies if you don't get what I mean.

Things would be so much easier if we could expect human decency and ethics, even if there is no law against it, because it goes against our values as humans.

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sallveburrpi 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Things would be so much easier if there weren’t a super small minority of extremely greedy rich and powerful people who ruin it for everyone…

Alas we decided collectively that money trumps(sic) everything so low trust society is the natural consequence of this.

At its core it’s a spiritual problem. Capitalism is cool but making it a religion has its trade offs.

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threeducks 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's not a lie if no one is abusing it.

It absolutely is a lie, but you might live in a society where constant lying has been normalized. Personally, I believe that society would be better off if companies were held to the letter of their words.

	▲	tonyhart7 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Because that’s not a lie; under special circumstances, it can be true. For example, consider a restaurant that offers free rice refills because Asian people love eating rice to fill up. An employee working overtime who really needs it can get as many refills as they want. Of course, this system falls apart if everyone starts doing it, as the restaurant would need to bake that cost into the price to sustain the business. But my point is: you can have nice things in society, or you can have a dystopia where people take advantage of each other at every single opportunity. The choice is yours.

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twelvedogs 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Someone will abuse it though, so why bother with the bullshit

You don't build high trust societies with lies

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mnx 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"starbucks says there is no limit on how many napkins I can use but they got mad when I took the whole container, liars"

	▲	threeducks 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It might have become socially acceptable to lie when everyone else is, but it is still a lie. Back in my days, you at least had to put an asterisk behind such outrageous claims.

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chrisbuc an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps "uncapped" rather than "unlimited" would be a better term for us to start using

	▲	BoredPositron 10 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I would say it's the opposite. If there is moral compass and we don't get high-up if someone tries to store their Linux isos on pen pot and gets a ban.