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Original Superman comic becomes the highest-priced comic book ever sold(bbc.com)
271 points by 1659447091 9 hours ago | 154 comments
dbacar 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"He added: "This isn't simply a story about old paper and ink. This was never just about a collectible.

"This is a testament to memory, family and the unexpected ways the past finds its way back to us." """ Men going extreme in sentimental when they just sold a $9M collectible :).

sebmellen 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He added: “This isn’t simply a blurb of words and phrases. This is not just a stock statement from an LLM.

This is a testament to outsourcing, laziness and the unexpected ways technology finds ways to change every press release.”

mvkel 8 hours ago | parent [-]

All it needed was the emdash

mjlee 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've been pressing minus twice to type a dash on Mac OS for so long I've forgotten when I started. People are pointing it out to me more and more every day. I think my writing is distinct enough from an LLM for most people, but there's certainly a growing contingent that sees a telltale and assumes everything must be AI generated.

Most (all?) keyboards I've used only have a combined hyphen‐minus key (-) which is distinct from a dash (—) and isn't quite a hyphen (‐), so I get why most people don't care. All font dependent as well to add to the fun, and my examples here render differently in the textbox and the comment!

Macha an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’d actually just figured out the compose binding to type it on Linux just before chatgpt got popular

plufz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah it actually saddens me a little, if using good and correct typography will be avoided because of LLM.

pardon_me an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's already happened unfortunately. LLMs learned to write correctly from people who write correctly. Those people are now being blamed for sounding like AI, when AI actually sounds like them (and probably learned from their work without permission). To avoid they, they write differently.

Xss3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Em dashes are still appropriate for articles, journals, scientific papers, and other academic or professional writing.

In social media comments they came across as pompous even before LLMs and werent particularly appropriate for casual comments.

Though to be fair some people enjoy coming across as pompous and embrace the 'better than the peasants and their lowly minus sign use' attitude. Makes them feel special or as if their writing is markedly better than those without fancy punctuation. (It isnt).

Also yes, im describing two writers i know that are adamant about the em dash being 'a sign of an intellectual wtiter'...they are insufferable pricks.

zetanor an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I would love to know what sequence of characters you normally use in place of an em-dash to express the same nuance of relationship and timing.

sgarland an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use em dashes for the same reason that I use semicolons: it’s how I’m hearing the sentence in my head as I’m typing it.

I think it’s a bit of a stretch to call a part of grammar pompous. It’d be analogous with me calling your post lazy due to its various typos — I’m not, I just found the comparison apt.

Forgeties79 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The problem to me doesn’t seem to be the em dashes but rather the multiple people around you that actively talk about “being an intellectual writer“ and how they need to signal it with their choice of punctuation. Frankly they sound ridiculous. But again, that has nothing to do with the actual punctuation itself. Writing off a writing tool because of two people you agree are ridiculous doesn’t seem like the right way to respond to their behavior.

I’ve used it for literally decades for both formal and informal writing. On social media and in text messages. It is a very useful way to communicate/pace your sentences.

agravier 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been using it as well for a long while (though using option shift -), but I don't care what people think. I won't change my style to appease Temu Sherlocks, or anyone really. How I write doesn't change the value of the message. I invite you to join me in not giving a crap.

mjlee 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It wasn't clear from my comment, but I absolutely don't care and I'm going to keep typing how I type.

boringg 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ive had to change how i write so that people don’t think its chat bot. Probably more a me thing but it has sadly ruined my heavy use of m dash and personal style. Small minority i know.

adi_kurian 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I wouldn't bother. Who gives a flying fuck. The only people I know talking about it aren't particularly good at writing anyway.

acheron an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

“Why should I change? He’s the one who sucks.”

ccppurcell 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why this matters: <bullet point list>.

ares623 6 hours ago | parent [-]

And here's the kicker:

latentsea 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Here's why this works:

imiric 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're absolutely right!

latexr 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reminded me of an exchange I saw decades ago in some TV show or movie (I forget where it was from but it stayed with me):

Person A: “We’re going to be so rich.”

Person B: “How many times do I have to tell you? It’s not about the money.”

Person A: “It’s about all the things we’ll be able to buy with it.”

Person B: “Exactly.”

retSava an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Also, from a classic that is finally getting a sequel: Spaceballs!

-We're not doing this for the money... -... we're not? -We're doing this for a SHITTON of money!

onionisafruit an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The Jerk?

onionisafruit 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To them I’m sure it really is all that plus the $9M they get, but mostly the $9M.

lloydatkinson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Made me want to vomit

ls-a 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did Silicon Valley VCs give that comic its valuation?

tacker2000 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yea, would he have said the same for some old worthless TV program magazine?

tonyhart7 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

gotta add those "values" so the bidder got worth its money

1659447091 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Found a bit more on the story behind this copy

https://www.ha.com/heritage-auctions-press-releases-and-news...

HelloUsername 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Funny how the time of day affects the visibility of posting on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46002609 :)

swores 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Time of day definitely plays a part, but there’s also luck/randomness to it.

Even the same time and same day of the week there will never be exactly the same set of users online, and that’s even more true with regard to the users who are choosing to look at HN’s /newest page. So pure luck can determine whether a bunch of comic book lovers see it soon after submission and give it enough votes to get on HN’s front page, or just a bunch of people who think it’s a boring story worth ignoring.

(Personally I thought it sounded like it might have interesting comments worth reading, hence my being here, but I wouldn’t have found it interesting enough to upvote if I were one of the people who saw it on the new submissions page.)

ChrisMarshallNY 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I strongly suspect that a number of HN members have been training LLMs on HN headlines, then using these LLMs to recommend stories and times for submission. Maybe they have even set up the scripts to post submissions automatically.

That’s how we roll.

The results are likely to be that all HN front page stories will eventually be LLM-sourced.

I’m not entirely against that, if the scripts do a good job of selecting stories.

krapp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Hacker News is for human beings to share stories they find interesting so that other human beings can discuss those stories to gratify their intellectual curiosity. Automating that process with the goal of maximizing visibility and karma defeats the intended goal of the forum.

Not the actual goal, of course the actual goal of Hacker News for many people is gaming SEO and startup juice.

That said, I don't doubt for a second you're right. Trust a forum of tech bros and nerds to minmax away what little joy there is left to posting here.

ChrisMarshallNY 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sadly, I agree.

I find most of the value, here, in the community commentary, though.

It’s fairly remarkable.

I do think people are trying to LLM that, as well, but not as successfully.

pbhjpbhj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The actual actual goal is to promote Ycombinator to make money for pg.

ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think it's that simple. It's my opinion that YC doesn't need much buzz, except within this very community. Since they own the venue, they get the benefit.

I think that a goal is to "cultivate" a startup community. Get nerds and tech bros together, and some synergy is bound to happen.

I'm not trying to start anything up, but I do enjoy the community. I'm not really what YC is looking for, but I suspect they like me, more than an LLM.

WalterBright 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I remember a painting was discovered, and there was speculation that it was a da Vinci. It was appraised at $30,000. If it could be proven to be a da Vinci, it would be worth a million.

For the same item.

Crazy.

Nevermark 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you think a sculpture by a pre-civilization human is worth more than something banged out yesterday?

Heritage has great value. It is one of the few things that cannot be manufactured at will.

Also, since its uniqueness holds its value, its value becomes a "strange attractor". You can put a lot of money into one of these artifacts, fairly sure to get most or more back. Since future buyers will have a similar assurance. So it isn't money thrown away, but money stored in a medium the provides satisfaction and pride.

Not so different from buying real estate in some exclusive area for some crazy price. It really isn't that crazy if you are likely to get your money back later if you want. Likely at a higher amount due to a growing economy pushing prices up.

Crazy would be spending millions on something unique then grinding it up.

bryanrasmussen 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Art as a tool for storing Mana: https://medium.com/luminasticity/art-as-a-tool-for-storing-m...

neuronic 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is all a great way of describing why art works as a money laundering or tax evasion scheme.

garbthetill 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The salvator mundi was bought at an auction for $1.2k, restored & appraised, then eventually sold for $450 million. The art/collection world is fascinate everything latches onto experts putting their reputation on the line, precious metals and gem stones make way more sense to me as their authenticity is undeniable for now

Intermernet an hour ago | parent [-]

Weirdly enough, precious metals and gem stones are only valuable because we agree they are. It's exactly the same as art, but with a lot less debate.

karmakurtisaani 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Imagine some rich asshat at a pretentious cocktail party going

"I have a da Vinci at home."

Vs

(pointing at a picture on the phone) "I have this painting at home"

Which one impresses the other rich asshats more? Maybe even millions of dollars worth more.

andrepd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe not the one you're thinking, but this is notable recent case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvator_Mundi_(Leonardo)

The attribution to Leonardo is extremely dubious, but the whole thing seems to have been motivated as yet another attempt to wash the reputation of oil theocracies and their monarchs.

falcor84 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Let's say that I gift you a suitcase with ten thousand $100 bills that seem legit, but you're not sure. How much would you be willing to pay for a proof that they are indeed legit?

zkmon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> This is a testament to memory, family and the unexpected ways the past finds its way back to us

If that was a true feeling, then they wouldn't sell it away as soon as they find it, as if it is something they must dispose off immediately.

Sales culture is turning all men into drama queens.

Thorrez an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It doesn't sound right away to me:

>The brothers found six comic books, including Superman #1, in the loft underneath a stack of newspapers inside a cardboard box and surrounded by cobwebs in 2024, Heritage said.

> They waited a few months before contacting the auction house, but once they did, Heritage Auctions vice-president Lon Allen visited them in San Francisco within days, according to the auction house.

>The brothers, who have chosen to withhold their names, are "in their 50s and 60s, and their mom had always told them she had an expensive comics collection but never showed them", Mr Allen said.

zkmon 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yep, it's not right away. They hesitated a few months to get rid of the 80-year old family piece, which their mother didn't bother selling. Family possessions should be treated as reserves to help off-springs down the family hierarchy in the needy times. Not to cash out because they are in 50s and 60s. 50s and 60s are just middle age when some people do a fresh start of their lives.

tcgv an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's more of an emotional reaction to the life-changing impact of $9 million, expressed that way, rather than a literal feeling to be taken word for word.

latexr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I agreed with the first sentence, but then the second one had me scratching my head. Could you clarify/expand on what you’re saying there?

zkmon 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>> expand on "men turning into drama queens"

Men sounding too sentimental, emotional, girly, too much talking, making lots of facial expressions, trying to please or convince someone,... even though it is not hard it see it's fake. The talk was all about millions, not family silver.

JKCalhoun an hour ago | parent | next [-]

What's out of place in your comment is probably "men" and then "drama queens". It makes it sound like you have some rigid idea of how men are supposed to be.

Perhaps you meant to imply that it is society that pigeonholes men this way.

latexr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What’s wrong about that? Why shouldn’t a man be emotional, make facial expressions, or try to please someone? Why is that “fake”?

I’m asking in general, since your original comment looked to be a general complaint and not only specific about this case.

zkmon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In this case, it is fake because they didn't value the very sentiment they were talking about. In general, those attributes in men make them drama queens.

llm_nerd an hour ago | parent [-]

That doesn't follow. I could be incredibly sentimental about something and still very happily part with it for millions of dollars. You are inventing a dichotomy that doesn't exist.

Further, saying that men shouldn't have emotions, or display the same emotions, lest they be labeled "drama queens", is absolutely gross behaviour. It's one of the contributors to the male loneliness / suicide epidemic, and you really should do better.

zkmon 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Having irrational and excessive emotions and the associated negative feelings is the primary cause of extreme actions. You can do better at knowing things.

llm_nerd 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Having and expressing are two wildly different things. Your misunderstanding on this is the root of your ignorance.

jebarker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure why I find this surprising, but this comic is worth twice as much as Napoleon's diamond encrusted brooch recently sold for [1]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/14/world/europe/napoleon-dia...

javier123454321 an hour ago | parent [-]

It's not worth twice as much. There was a buyer willing to pay twice as much. For something like this, the fact that value is completely subjective really sticks out. Trying to sell it again tomorrow might go for half or double.

jebarker 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, the point of sharing was to point out the subjectivity. The brooch sold at auction too.

qoez 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

To be fair that's true for everything including the jewels

charcircuit 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With this kind of case it's impossible to read the comic book, and it doesn't protect it from UV light. I prefer using covers that block UV light. This both protects it and allows you to read it.

evanelias 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It really doesn't make sense to read a 9.0 condition key comic like this. If you really wanted to read it, you would be better off buying a second reading copy in terrible condition.

The cost of the reading copy would end up being less than the negative impact to the condition (and therefore value) of your mint copy from reading it a single time.

xeonmc 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Makes me think of this Simpsons episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii4Msc9ESEw

acomjean 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I thought you were going to share the one where Bart Martin and Milhouse team up to buy a rare “radioactive man”. It goes badly

https://youtu.be/zw220bx88WA?si=vArVS22Oac02uNK5

I’d forgotten about prank monkey Homer.

Jach 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was thinking of the "perma-mint condition" issue of Radioactive Man. Spilled drinks fly off harmlessly onto lesser comics: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mqe21Up4Vmo&t=14s

latexr 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Funny that the fictitious comic is spilling into a “lesser” real comic by Matt Groening (creator of the Simpsons).

stavros 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why did he do that?

ileonichwiesz 5 hours ago | parent [-]

In that episode a bored Mr. Burns hires Homer as his „prank monkey”, paying him with loose cash to play cruel pranks on others and humiliate himself. Homer eventually regains his dignity after refusing to ruin the Thanksgiving day parade, even for a million dollars.

stavros 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Ahh thank you.

BubbleRings 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What a wild concept in this case:

With a little effort and research someone could come up with a reasonable estimate that read something like, “a typical 15-year-old reading through this comic once in a typical way would have cost the family X dollars”, and X might literally be $100k. Certainly well over $10k.

teaearlgraycold 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

A careless 15 year old would take off millions from the value.

MomsAVoxell 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can read it (illegally) here:

https://www.zipcomic.com/superman-1939-issue-1

And I dare say, someone spending 9 million clams on this comic book is more than likely going to have it sitting in a very UV-protected vault somewhere ..

EDIT: Sorry - I didn’t realize that zipcomic.com is infringing the copyright - adding this note to point that out, but I will maintain my original link as intended. Better to read it on DC Universe Infinite, if you have access, or maybe it’s available through Libby or Hoopla library apps.

bbarnett 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can't understand why the inside covers were scanned by someone, but at crazy low res. Yes the comic is important, but even the ads are fun and a memory blast.

I have a feeling this was scanned a while back, where resolution was a balance between even being able to store it digitally due to size.

kristopolous 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I assume it's just an inflation robust store of value.

If I was lucky enough to have to defend say a billion dollars from diluting over decades, a priceless comic sounds like a decent acquisition

muzani 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My impression was the comic was worth so much because the widely available digital version loses something.

anthk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://comicbookplus.com would have it legally as the Copyright expired long ago.

Podrod 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What makes you think the copyright has expired?

toyg 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Probably confused 2024 with 2034, when it will actually expire.

raverbashing 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah

Until they pass away and somebody finds it then puts it for sale, and so on...

charcircuit 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not everyone wants to break the law to read things from their collection. Also the physical experience of reading is much different than digital.

While you could store your collectable in a vault, many people enjoy displaying their collectables.

MomsAVoxell 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sorry .. I didn’t realize that zipcomic.com was illegal .. I’d assumed the copyright had expired[0], and checking on DC Universe Infinite isn’t possible, since it’s geolocked and I’m not in a country deemed worthy of it. It’s probably available in Libby or Hoopla, legally.

[0] It’s still copyrighted, although it seems that will expire in a decade or so, though. I guess I’ll read it then.

bouncycastle 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

back in my day, we had these buildings called 'libraries' which were filled wall-to-wall with many different types of copyright material. Mainly books, but also comics, newspapers and magazines, that you could legally read and also borrow and take home for a few days, for FREE!!

drob518 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Now you’re just making stuff up.

iammattmurphy 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This might be genuinely the first time I can remember hearing someone say they don’t want to commit piracy. No offence, but who cares? Especially for something from 1939.

JKCalhoun 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, if issue #1 it were still being sold, that would be piracy.

userbinator 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This comic is older than most (all?) HN users.

bigstrat2003 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, I care (though not for something whose creators are long since dead and whom you can't support any more). But in general, I certainly try to avoid piracy. I think it's immoral and while I don't think it makes one a bad person (I myself used to pirate a ton of stuff when I had no money to buy it), I do think it's a thing that a good person should strive to avoid.

ndriscoll an hour ago | parent | next [-]

At the time that it was published, it would've been public domain by 1995 (so its creators might reasonably be alive at expiration). Anyone would be able to legally reprint it. Was that immoral? Or was it immoral to monopolize culture for another 1-2 generations?

JKCalhoun 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

It was a bad policy (immoral? your words) to "grandfather" everything in when the new law was passed. But I understand that wad the entire point (Disney) of that law.

pbhjpbhj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Back up here:

>"I care (though not for something whose creators are long since dead and whom you can't support any more)."

>"I think it's immoral"

King Herod makes the Kill Babies Act and now you consider it immoral not to kill babies?

You justified copyright by suggesting it was about supporting creators. So you at least consider the moral justification to end at the creators death?

It just really interests me how copyright terms which were grown purely to support corporations so they wouldn't have to be creative (read that as would but need to employ people, or pay people for creativity) can have people figuratively clutching pearls.

clort 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure the reader would be breaking the law. Copyright law is about distribution, so the site would be violating the copyright by making it available. However, reading it is not distribution so simply reading it would not be an issue.

sneak 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not-for-profit copyright infringement on this scale is generally a tort and not a criminal act.

It’s a bit hyperbolic. It’s a webpage of a comic book.

iamacyborg 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You’re better off just getting UV protective film on your windows.

pbhjpbhj 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I wonder if that significantly changes your vitamin D production?

larusso 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is interesting to me that something like this can have such a high value. It speaks meanly for the our shared cultural global connection when it comes to items like these. For what purpose other than saying: “I have a …” would you buy this? Or is it the believe the price only goes up and it gets bought as an investment? I mean specifically this item with this high price. I ask because I think the price is only as high if the item in question is still cultural relevant. So I assume you buy it and start shadow produce new Superman projects :)

onion2k 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I ask because I think the price is only as high if the item in question is still cultural relevant.

Les Poseuses Ensemble by Georges Seurat was sold for $149m. Very few people have heard of it, care about it, or even like it considering it's pointillism which no one buys modern versions of. The world of art and collectables is entirely rich people speculating that the price (not value) will go up in the future.

larusso 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ah damn. I forgot to add in the whole world of art collection which of course this item belongs in as well. Still baffles me how we humans can put such high prices on some items

wahnfrieden 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s mostly money laundering and loan collateral

JKCalhoun 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

I thought it was bragging rights for the terminally insecure billionaire class.

squigz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Surely some of it is also the simple fact of... these people are very rich and want some art they enjoy.

The same way a regular person might buy an autographed photo of a celebrity they like or something like that.

saretup 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Don’t forget the tax savings.

stavros 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What tax savings? How does that work?

saretup 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Different tax loopholes depending on region etc, but basically like this:

I’m a billionaire earning $100M this year.

I owe $40M as taxes for that. (Too much!)

I find a dumb banana painting by a starving artist.

I buy it from him for $1000.

I wait 6 months.

I go to a museum to get it appraised by “professionals”.

I pay the professional appraiser’s wife $50K as a gift.

The appraiser says the painting is now worth $30M!

Wow that’s awesome, I have such a keen eye for art.

You know what, I’m gonna donate this painting to a museum instead because I’m such a patron of art and culture.

Oh, look at that, I get a tax rebate for the value of my donated painting ($30M)

Now I only have to pay $40M - $30M = $10M in taxes on my $100M income.

There’s more nuance to it in practice, but that’s the gist of it.

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Edit: For some reason I can't reply to the comments below so I'm gonna do it here.

> That wouldn't explain the price here, since in your scam the whole idea is to buy cheap and donate dear. not buy for 139M

Now we're getting in the details but it's very suspicious for an appraiser to appraise a work of art from an unknown artist at millions. But it's not that suspicious if they take Van Gogh's Starry Night which was previously appraised at $500M to now be valued at $1B. this way the deca-billionaire still gets to save his taxes while appraiser avoids suspicion.

> As far as I know, that's not how taxes work. You can't get a rebate for the amount of taxes you would have paid, you can get a deduction for the amount of money you made.

There are a lot of loopholes in the complicated tax system for the ultra-wealthy, not for us. This video (still a simple explanation in an animated way) covers a few more of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHy07B-UHkE

stavros 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As far as I know, that's not how taxes work. You can't get a rebate for the amount of taxes you would have paid, you can get a deduction for the amount of money you made.

So:

You made $100M owe $40M in taxes.

Your painting is worth $30M! You have such a keen eye for art.

Now you made $130M and owe $50M in taxes.

You donate the painting, you're back at having made $100M and owing $40M.

Otherwise we'd all choose not to pay tax and donate our tax money to charitable institutions instead.

renewiltord 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m pretty sure he’s right in how taxes work. There’s no moment where the value of the painting is realized but you are allowed to deduct the FMV if you make enough and if the donation goes to the charity’s exempt use (which it will if it’s a museum or whatever).

So if you buy painting for a dollar and wait a year then next year you make $3m and the painting is now worth $1m then if you donate it, your AGI is reduced to $3m-min($1m, 30% of income) = $3m-$900k.

You don’t count the appreciation of the painting as income. You don’t even count it as LTCG if you don’t sell it.

I think it also applies to stock option awards. When the startup I was at was acquired some people were talking about it.

__s 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There was a subtle mistake: the 30M would be deducted from taxable income (in Canada I was only able to deduct from capital gains)

twoodfin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, there are lots of “loopholes” available if you are willing to commit tax fraud! But that’s something anyone can do, it’s not particularly harder to lie about the value of charitable donations if you’re not ultra-wealthy.

namdnay 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That wouldn't explain the price here, since in your scam the whole idea is to buy cheap and donate dear. not buy for 139M

bazoom42 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your scheme involves getting a fake appraisal for a value higher than the market price. But this does not explain high prices at an auction.

larusso 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This item didn’t get sold yet or? It’s says it’s valued at 9million. So somebody gave it that number.

bazoom42 an hour ago | parent [-]

> Now it has become the highest-priced comic book ever sold, fetching $9.12m (£7m) at auction.

stonecharioteer 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Dunno why I can't reply to your other comment explaining what you mean but hot damn. False evaluation of a cheap painting to save on taxes? That's mental.

amelius an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's valuable because we know with high certainty that it wasn't created using GenAI.

zakki 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would say something like this is an analog version of nowadays crypto currency.

Lerc 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is, but only for thing people would legitimately like to have.

The entire NFT thing would work if it were restricted to things people want, even if that only amounts to bragging rights.

Somewhere along the way people lost track of the fact that being able to trade something doesn't denote value in itself

_puk 6 hours ago | parent [-]

"only for thing people would legitimately like to have."

Whilst that may be true for the most part, much of the art dealt nowadays is never displayed, just stored somewhere incredibly tax efficient until it's value has gone up enough to warrant selling.

https://theswisstimes.ch/unlocking-the-secrets-of-the-geneva...

RobotToaster 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Analogue NFT

scotty79 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The price is determined by the depths of pockets of buyers. High price for such items means only that too many stupid people have too much money in our time.

ls-a 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Really? After all the bogus valuations on HN, this one surprised you

OJFord 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My first thought reading the headline was that I would have no idea - could so easily throw away something apparently very valuable in such a scenario just because it's not something I know about.

> their mum had always told them she had an expensive comic collection

And perhaps they would have too, had they not known! (Or the mother not known either.)

cm2012 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The mother knew the potential value when she bought it, interestingly enough. Good for her!

onionisafruit 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The ha.com press release that this summarizes makes it clear that the mother and uncle bought the comics for their own enjoyment then decided to pass them down to the sons once they knew the comics were valuable. It doesn’t explicitly say they bought them on the news stand, but that’s the impression I get.

anovikov 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's missing in the story is when did she buy it and how much she spent... Maybe it was an expensive purchase at that point already, like in 5 digits, and she invested a considerable portion of her savings?

opello 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> Their mother had held on to the comic books since she and her brother bought them between the Great Depression and the beginning of World War Two, Heritage said.

It seems unlikely that in that time frame it would have been a 5 digit purchase. It still may have been a significant proportion of liquid cash or net worth though. I think it'd be an interesting detail to have too.

evanelias 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It came out in 1939, which is in that time frame, so she probably bought it at a newsstand for the 10 cent cover price. I could be mistaken, but I don't think there was any real second-hand market for comic books at the time.

johngossman 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have a b&w photo of my (considerably) older brother, from the early 1960s, reading a pile of comic books a foot high. The only cover visible is Spiderman #4. When I was a kid I used to stare at that picture and dream.

Needless to say, I kept all my old comics.

technothrasher 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I had a British edition of Star Wars #1 at my parent's house that an English friend gave me when we were kids back in the early 80's. I always wondered what it was worth, as I could only find price guides for the US edition. But when I finally got around to go get it a couple years ago, it was nowhere to be found. So the question became only academic.

muzani 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does anyone know why this particular issue is so valuable? I'm assuming it's some mix of investment, timing, sentimental value, and rarity. But which ones particularly?

daseiner1 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

the article explicitly states that this original Superman #1 is the highest graded copy of all-time

it’s valuable for the same reason the mona lisa is valuable. it’s iconic, it is a singular object, it is one of a kind, it is a stable investment vehicle. they ain’t making more of them.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Stable investment vehicle I am not so sure. I think an index fund or even gold will outperform it over 100 years. Superman comics rely on people giving a shit about superman which will fade over time. Superman isnt a big thing for gen z for example.

bazoom42 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Who knows, but some comic books characters like Batman and Spider-man are bigger that ever, while others like Tarzan is losing relevance.

RobotToaster 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> they ain’t making more of them.

I always wonder exactly how difficult it would be to get the paper, ink, staples, etc exactly right. I'm sure it would be difficult but 9m is a big payoff if you can.

rootlocus 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I assume the content isn't as important as the fact the object itself is the original. Original paper, original ink, original release date. The object itself comes from the original factory, survived through time etc. I would expect some tests will verify it uses the correct paper, has the signs of age, etc.

Even if you could duplicate it down to the molecule I would assume it wouldn't hold the same value since it doesn't have the same history. Assuming you'd want to sell it in good faith as a replica.

ileonichwiesz 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you’re going to get into forgery of historical memorabilia there’s probably easier targets than Superman comic books, no?

ChrisArchitect 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

An earlier submission of the auction house source had some details like it's one of only seven copies that have a grading score over 6.0 (it scored a record 9.0), and one of only 100 ever of any quality ever auctioned there.

Zenbit_UX 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your question is why is issue #1 of a very old and popular thing valuable?

muzani 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

I get that it's more valuable than Superman #200, but why 9 million dollars valuable. There's a poorer quality one at 5 million, but that also means that there's other copies in existence.

It's also not the first Superman comic, what about Action Comics #1?

Why is the Call of Cthulhu (Weird Tales, Feb 1928) about $50k?

Or in terms of characters, what makes Superman worth 3x more than MARVEL #1 or Batman?

pton_xd 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What are the odds it's a forgery? Couldn't find any details on their grading method and how it was "positively identified to originate from the first print run of the issue" [0].

[0] https://www.ha.com/heritage-auctions-press-releases-and-news...

iced_beverage 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For how they could tell it was from the first run, it says in the article you referenced:

> For decades, Allen says, nobody knew of a way to distinguish which copies came from that initial run. Then a grader noticed a key difference in a small in-house promotional spot advertising the upcoming Action Comics No. 14. In the first run, those ads included text reading “On sale June 2nd.” Subsequent print runs had updated it to “Now on sale.”

evanelias 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Definitely not. It's CGC graded, and you can bet only their top graders would be involved. https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/14678/superman-herita...

skeuomorphism 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A shame to hear that heritage auctions were the ones to handle this

opdahl 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Why do you say that? I'm unfamiliar with Heritage Auctions.

stevekemp 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Allegations they operated a pump and dump in conjunction with Wata games, a "grading" company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Auctions#Controversie...

klipklop 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can hear Nic Cage get out his credit card from 1000 miles away to buy it.

dmezzetti 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the epitome of why people go to yard sales

AtNightWeCode 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like some sort of scam to me. The item is probably correct but the price seems way too high.

bazoom42 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Why? Similar comics have been sold for upwards of 6 mill, and this one is better graded.

tonyhart7 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

its insane that quality is still that good, I have a comic book that already "rotten" despite have newer age

Maxion 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The photo (scan?) of it looks like it could've been printed yesterday. Quite amazing that it's survived in such good quality.

Galanwe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know nothing of this world of comics, I guess because it is essentially part of the US culture and did not penetrate much of Europe.

There has been a number of investigative shows arguing the valuation of collectibles in general (comics included) is largely driven by money laundering.

Is it some kind of conspiracy theory of is this legit ?

Podrod 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As usual, generalising all of Europe based on your individual country is a mistake as there are some Euro counties where comics are quite popular. France, Belgium, Italy and the UK all have thriving native comic book industries, and I have Swedish friends who tell me Donald Duck comics are very popular there.

I imagine a pristine 1st edition Tintin or Asterix would be quite valuable.

WalterBright 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I remember as a kid that Superman #1 was going for thousands of dollars and we just oohed and aahed.

libertine 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's this new sentiment in the society of finding something rare with high value to flip it and make a bank. But the way it's being pursued... It just doesn't feel right.

It almost feels like it's gambling, because it's a sentiment that leaks into modern collectibles, like card games.

I'm not saying people don't value collectibles, or value nostalgia, or that some of these things should be limited to niches - the reality is that I can't quite put it into words, but a lot of it seems propped up... Or it's a false game everyone is knowingly playing, like a big Ponzi scheme.

These superman copies, or the first editions of mtg, or even some modern vintage games, were never intended to be collectibles - people used them and played with them, created memories, and the production runs were really limited in comparison to modern day production runs, that make those items actually rare... Like few hundreds or thousands have survived in good condition - which is an achievement for toys, games and comics that get used a lot.

Nowadays people buy stuff with high production runs, they never even create memories with the stuff... They slab stuff into a "hermetic" container right away, and get it graded...

It just feels fake.

Again I don't doubt people see value in this stuff, I just feel like they're valuing for the wrong reasons, and I can't wrap my head around how is that even sustainable.

Who is going to value the memory of "remember when I bought 5 booster boxes and pulled card X from the pack, with gloves on, put it in a sleeve and sent it to be graded straight away? Now those were the days!"

It's like people want to compress the randomness of time and social behavior into a predictable cicle of months, with minimal effort and to extract the maximum value out of it.

Am I overthinking this?