| ▲ | 24t 3 hours ago |
| > sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour. |
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| ▲ | griffzhowl 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I agree with the ethos but "banning installing" wouldn't have been correct here. There should be terminology for installing from the source of your choice which doesn't carry the marginal or sinister connotations of "sideloading" though. "Freeloading" would have been a good one but... yeah |
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| ▲ | green7ea 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Wouldn't it be accurate to say that you can no longer install apps on your phone, only Google can? | |
| ▲ | 24t 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm not suggesting a drop-in replacement within that context, just that widening the definition of sideloading does us no favours 'installing from beyond the walled garden' would be a nice fit here imo | |
| ▲ | cuu508 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "banning installing from anywhere but play store" | |
| ▲ | graemep an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Freely installing"? |
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| ▲ | cbolton 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can also install through the Play store. Sideloading is more specific. |
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| ▲ | devsda 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Like hacking, sideloading is now a loaded & misunderstood term. It is considered as something only nerds or bad actors do. Let's just call it alternate install. | | |
| ▲ | rkachowski 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Or "open install", correctly implying the alternative is closed. | |
| ▲ | mrighele 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or manual install. | | |
| ▲ | exe34 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | How about calling the other one "installing from the play store"? installing was there first. | | |
| ▲ | miroljub 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly. Let's invent a word for "installing from play store". Playstoring? So we can rewrite the story to something like: Google wants to prohibit app installation on Android phones. The only way to get an app would be through playstoring. | | | |
| ▲ | fainpul 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Corpoloading | | |
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| ▲ | engeljohnb 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I can install on my Fedora laptop through dnf. I've never felt like I needed a new word to describe downloading and running an AppImage. Why would phones be different? | | |
| ▲ | tonyhart7 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | well because its not allowed to "install" from third party sources (atleast not yet) google has control on their android ecosystem behave, same reason why its not allowed in playstation or xbox or ios | | |
| ▲ | engeljohnb an hour ago | parent [-] | | The whole selling point of Android up until now was that it allowed you to install any app you want. The point of the above comment is that Google intentionally introduced the word "sideload" to make "installing an app on your own device which Google did not curate" sound more risky and sinister than it is, and I'm inclined to agree. I "make" coffee on my keurig. If Keurig decides that making any single-serve coffe pods that aren't owned by the Keurig brand is now called "off-brewing," I'd dismiss it as ridiculous and continue calling it "making coffee." We should use the language that makes sense, not the language that happens be good PR for google. | | |
| ▲ | tonyhart7 an hour ago | parent [-] | | "The whole selling point of Android up until now was that it allowed you to install any app you want." we can debate whether this is bad thing or good thing, it would have no ends what matters is reality, the reality is google have the right to change it. | | |
| ▲ | engeljohnb 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You've changed the subject. We were discussing whether one ought to use Google's term for it, or the term that's been used to describe this action since (I assume) the beginning of personal computing. Not whether Google is legally allowed to make the change. My reason for bringing up the "selling point" was to bring attention to the language -- "You can install any app you want" has always been the common refrain when I see friends get into a debate about IOS vs Android. People are already using the term because it makes the most sense. | | | |
| ▲ | Zak 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Calling something a right is an assertion about morality; it implies that a law to the contrary would be a violation of that right. I do not believe an an OS vendor with an app store has a right to limit alternate distribution channels or that a government does something wrong by restricting such practices as unfair competition. | | |
| ▲ | tonyhart7 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | "I do not believe an an OS vendor with an app store has a right to limit alternate distribution channels or that a government does something wrong by restricting such practices as unfair competition." but its not illegal and wrong tho???? if this is probihited then xbox,playstation,nintendo,ios etc would be fined already unironically android is still more "open" in all of its competitor even after all of this |
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| ▲ | makeitdouble 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Would you make the same distinction on a mac when installing Photoshop from the Adobe installer vs installing KeyNote from the MacStore ? |
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| ▲ | geokon 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Doesn't feel like any conspiracy.. Isn't sideloading installing through adb instead of from the system itself? (by clicking on an APK or using an app Store like Xiaomi/Googled/Huawei/Fdroid) "Side" being.. from your computer |
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| ▲ | slightwinder an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | No, on android, it always meant installing an APK directly, without a store-app. You can use ADB, but you also can just download the APK on your device and install it locally with your browser or filemanager. | |
| ▲ | 24t 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes but fdroid is facing restrictions while adb is not | | |
| ▲ | geokon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | sure, google is trying to cash in. not saying theyre nice people. but the handwringing over semantics and suggesting Google has a master plan to abuse vocabular just sounds ridiculous |
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