| ▲ | Wistar 6 hours ago |
| Lately, I see a lot of drivers who turn on their brights and just leave them on and this includes cars with the older halogen and even incandescents. This is a change in behavior. As for LEDs, to me, the Tesla Model 3 headlights are the worst offender, but not all of them, just the majority. I can look down a column of oncoming cars and pick out the Model 3s from a few blocks distance. I suspect that the Model 3 headlights are often maladjusted as they have a user/driver-accessible headlight aiming menu and it looks to me like a lot of Tesla owners get in to that menu and do some freelance aiming. Plus, a lot of Model 3 drivers around here—and there are a lot of them here (Seattle area)—seem to turn on everything, brights, DRLs, fog lights, every lamp. Another egregious offender is the Acura Jewel-Eye headlights although I am seeing ever more cars with headlights set to stun. The worst situation is waiting at an intersection where the pavement is crowned to drain the intersection, making the headlights on the cars opposite just miserable to contend with. Sometimes so bad I can’t see the traffic lights. I am not sure what the solution is but the situation is getting worse and quickly. |
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| ▲ | 0xfeba 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Lately, I see a lot of drivers who turn on their brights and just leave them on and this includes cars with the older halogen and even incandescents. This is a change in behavior. This is one of my pet peeves. I've categorized it into what I believe are the main causes: 1. People just don't know as well today that the blue indicator means you're blinding people 2. People with newer cars which will automatically turn off the headlights, including the brights, when you turn off and leave the car. 3. People with older cars where the low-beams are burned out or broken I've been tempted to purchase digital billboard space to raise awareness. Eg., "If this blue indicator is on, you're blinding everyone". And/or, get a mirror on my trunk that I can adjust the angle of from inside the cabin to reflect back high-beams at the driver. Mostly I'm hoping that automatic high-beams, like some Ford trucks I've seen do well, proliferate more! |
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| ▲ | pksebben 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have become an aggressive counter-flasher. This has yielded in some cases new knowledge - that the low beams of a lot of cars these days look like high beams (indicated when they flash back, and it's the brightness of a thousand suns). For those behind me, I've discovered that my side mirror has an angle where it reliably bounces the beams back. I've gotten more than a couple of drivers to turn their beams down with this method (but they have to be tailgating for it to work, which usually means we're already in an adversarial situation). | | |
| ▲ | aceazzameen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Haha I've also angled my side mirror out of my eyes, which incidentally is back towards the car behind me. I of course angle it back if I need to change lanes, but it's such an annoying thing I have to do just to see the road ahead of me. At this point I put full blame on car manufacturers and lack of government regulation and enforcement. Lights will keep getting brighter because lights are getting brighter. It's a death spiral. | | |
| ▲ | johnmaguire 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | My 2017 Ford Fusion has an auto-dimming driver side mirror. I hate driving a car at night without this. |
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| ▲ | notyourwork 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That indicates the low beams are incorrectly adjusted. | | |
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| ▲ | pipes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I might just be getting old, but more and more I see people not using indicators and not understanding the rules of junctions. Tail gating also really annoying. I was in a mates car recently and it scared the hell out of me, he was tail gating for most of a 3 hour journey. Eventually we got to a bit with chevrons and he wasn't obeying the rule staying N chevrons away from the car in front. I told him and he replied "nonsense, my car beeps if I'm too close to the car in front" I didn't have the energy to point out that is a collision warning not a safe distance measurer type device. | | |
| ▲ | ash_091 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The recommended 3 second gap is a much bigger distance than most people recognise, especially at high speed. On another note- I feel sad that you could tell your mate "the way you're driving is making me uncomfortable" and be met with basically "your discomfort isn't valid because [technology] so I won't change my behaviour". | | |
| ▲ | MichaelBurjack an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | As someone who continues to mask in public shared-air settings for my own health, I am entirely unsurprised by that response and get it all the time. Recently heard from a friend that also continues to mask when sharing air, they had arranged car pooling for one of their children. And just this morning the other parent texted saying "your child wearing a mask makes me uncomfortable so we can no longer car pool". So … yeah. Entirely unsurprised by that attitude. "Every person for themselves but also not if it's something I personally dislike." | | |
| ▲ | alehlopeh 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Isn’t all air shared? | |
| ▲ | pipes an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Genuine question (as in not a passive aggressive question!) why do you and your friends child mask? | | |
| ▲ | MichaelBurjack 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not sure why you'd ask me that vs. use Google, feels like cornering a random driver to defend "Why do you use seatbelts?". But I'll offer one reply at your word that it's genuine and not passive-aggressive. 1. I am currently dealing with the after-effects of a previous Covid infection that requires expensive, ongoing medical treatment. I'm not anxious to test what additional infections may cause. 2. Wearing an N95 respirator is a cheap and easy preventative measure that is highly effective. 3. I adjust my habits based on measured risk. In my part of the world (Alberta), the current risk forecast for November 8-21 is that approximately 1 in every 81 people are currently infected with Covid. I will relax my public masking when it's 1 in 10,000 or less (which is not an unreasonable number; it's been there in the past). 4. Recent medical studies suggest that repeated Covid exposure is particularly harmful for children. Long Covid is now the #1 chronic condition in children in the US (displacing asthma as the top chronic childhood condition). As a parent, I see it as my responsibility to give my children the best chance at a long, healthy, medical-intervention-free life. A few links (or just use Google): - Covid monitoring in Canada: https://covid19resources.ca/ - Long Covid overtaking asthma as top childhood chronic illness: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/... - Rolling Stone on Covid's affects on children: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/long-c... - Remarks by Violet Affleck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBTjCqIxorw - Tom Hanks: https://whn.global/youve-got-a-friend-in-me-tom-hanks-shows-... - A longer answer than mine: https://whn.global/yes-we-continue-wearing-masks/ |
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| ▲ | pipes an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes on your last point, I feel exactly the same way. If anyone told me I was driving too fast and they were uncomfortable I'd immediately be apologetic and slow down, and I'd genuinely feel bad about it. As I get older I've realised that most people in my life react negatively if I express emotion that what they are doing is upsetting. It is only recently that I've realised my sample size is small and this kind of gas lighting behaviour is not ok. I've actually reached a point where I'm thankful that the internet popularised the phrase because it had helped me diagnose shitty behaviour that I've tolerated my whole life. |
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| ▲ | BrenBarn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd say just in general people have become way more cavalier and oblivious as drivers. I frequently see people doing wild stuff like driving at night with no headlights, or driving for several blocks in a bike lane. Every single yellow light is pushed to the limit, with often at least one (and sometimes multiple) drivers running the red light as well. I feel like a lot of is connected to a more general post-COVID decline in awareness of how one's actions affect others. People are just fine with doing anything they can get away with. I suspect the trend won't be reversed without a major increase in enforcement. | | |
| ▲ | jackvalentine an hour ago | parent [-] | | I’ve noticed the same, and also people’s behaviour generally everywhere has bottomed out and not recovered. I was speaking to an ED nurse who said people have just forgotten how to relate and violence is through the roof every night in the hospital. Did we all get subtle brain damage? |
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| ▲ | abustamam 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Wow this gives me anxiety just reading. My 2012 BMW has a warning everytime I turn it on. "DO NOT RELY ON BEEPS" (I'm paraphrasing of course.) And yeah, I don't let tooling on my car replace common sense driving habits. I still turn my head when reversing, even if I can see what's behind me on the camera. I think it's crazy that people rely so much on unreliable tech on their cars. | |
| ▲ | paradox460 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My favorite is that if you try to follow a safe distance, some jerk will immediately move to fill the space | | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People just don’t care about driving. I get it. Maybe you're not interested in it. You’re at A, you want to arrive at B, and driving is just your tool for getting there. But to misquote Trotsky, you may not be interested in driving, but driving is interested in you. Driving is the most dangerous thing most drivers do on a regular basis. Probably by a significant margin. Even if you hate it, respect it. Put in the effort to do it well. |
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| ▲ | LeifCarrotson 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My other pet peeve is the opposite - they've got LED daytime running lights, and use those instead of headlights. They're driving around at 11pm with no taillights and abysmal forward lighting, but there's enough of a glow from the DRLs that they assume their lights are on. Or worse, they're accustomed to "automatic" lights and don't even know where the switch is, so they're driving around at dusk or in fog, rain, or snow in a white, gray, or black vehicle without their lights on. I have also been tempted to purchase digital billboard space, but not on the side of the road. I want LED signs on my roof rack (one forward, one back) with column or two of buttons on the dash to call up a slate of messages: 1. TURN YOUR BRIGHTS OFF! BLUE MEANS BLINDING. 1b. OW! YOUR HEADLIGHTS ARE MISALIGNED. 2. TURN YOUR HEADLIGHTS ON! THOSE ARE DRLs. 3. TURN LIGHTS ON TO BE SEEN EVEN IF IT'S NOT DARK. 4. MY SAFE FOLLOWING DISTANCE IS NOT A SPOT FOR YOU. 5. YOU ARE TAILGATING. I WILL NOT SPEED FOR YOU. 6. YIELD DOES NOT MEAN STOP. 7. I AM ZIPPER MERGING, NOT CUTTING THE LINE. 8. DRIVE CAREFULLY! I JUST SAW A DEER. 9. GO AHEAD, I SEE YOU. 10. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR VEHICLE, PULL OVER. 11. THANK YOU! Plus a few spare slots to be implemented as needs arise. I've been unimpressed with the automatic high-beams on my wife's newer Toyota and on other rentals I've driven, they usually depend on a direct line-of-sight to the other car's headlights, which means they stay on just long enough to hit the windshield of another car cresting a hill and blind them. Then they courteously turn off a few camera frames and vision analyses after the low beams become visible. If a __competent__ driver is controlling the high/low beams manually, they'll see the headlights of the other car illuminating the trees and such and turn off the high beams a couple critical seconds earlier. But I admit that the automatic systems are miles better at managing it than the __incompetent__ drivers who are all too common. | | |
| ▲ | webnrrd2k 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This hit on a peeve of mine, that automatic high beam systems really suck for pedestrians. Manual control is genuinely better in this regard. Try walking around at night in a wealthy neighborhood, and about 1/8 of the cars just blind every pedestrian. | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | #3 sounds like you're either nitpicking or maybe having an eye issue? #7 You're either doing something good or something very bad, so I hope it's the former. If you're trying to pace the lane next to you, then it sounds like it's at least an honest attempt to get things zipper merging. If you're telling yourself that cars need to be in both lanes to zipper merge, while zooming to the end and then hoping maybe a zipper merge will happen, you're getting a big benefit to yourself while still causing slowdown for everyone else. | | |
| ▲ | jaapz an hour ago | parent [-] | | Regarding #3, in the EU it is normal to have lights on even when it's not dark. Some countries even mandate it. You're just more visible that way. |
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| ▲ | gorgoiler 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 12. YES I KNOW THIS IS A GAS STATION AND I COULD JUST WALK OVER AND TELL YOU BUT THIS SIGN THING I MADE IS WAY MORE FUN. | |
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| ▲ | sneak 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You forgot THE LEFTMOST LANE IS FOR BRIEF PASSING, NOT DRIVING | | |
| ▲ | quadyeast 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm often on highways were the left lane, for many miles, is the only one without potholes and broken road. | | |
| ▲ | pixl97 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then when there's another person behind you, get over in the right and let them pass. |
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| ▲ | Dylan16807 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Eh. If there's a speed limit and the left lane is 5+ over it, what's the benefit of keeping it empty? | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 an hour ago | parent [-] | | If everybody left it, it wouldn't be going 5+ over limit and then it could serve the people who are serious about breaking the law and go big. ... Oh, wait... |
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| ▲ | NietzscheanNull 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I've been tempted to purchase digital billboard space to raise awareness. Ironically, digital billboards are often 10x more obnoxious than even LED high beams in my area (and those are plenty awful, FWIW). We've got a few nearby that are so bright they could be used as stadium lighting when they're set to white. Naturally, half the ads running on them feature a white background, so it's like a stadium light that flips on and off every 15 seconds. Considering they're pointed directly at drivers' faces, I genuinely don't understand why there isn't more opposition to them; they're absolutely blinding. I'm seriously considering bugging local and state reps about it until they pass light intensity ordinances in my area. | |
| ▲ | japhyr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Mostly I'm hoping that automatic high-beams, like some Ford trucks I've seen do well, proliferate more! I have a 2021 Tacoma, and its automatic high-beam adjustment is terrible. It does a reasonable job of turning high beams off when a car approaches, but it has a number of problems that make it unusable. After the car passes it waits too long to reactivate the high beams. That's when they're needed most; my eyes have already adjusted to the other car's headlights, now the road is dark again, and I'm still on low beams. It's way too sensitive. When a car approaches from a long ways away, it sometimes turns high beams off for minutes at a time. It turns them off when there are widely-spaced streetlights on long empty rural highways. I finally took the time to figure out where the switch is to turn off automatic high-beam adjustment. I do a much better job knowing when to dim and reactive the lights than the vehicle does. | | |
| ▲ | bespokedevelopr an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe it’s an overcorrection because the Tacoma I had, a couple years older than yours, had auto high beams and they would just stay on all the time. They only turned off from reflecting on road signs or when a car was only a few lengths away approaching. Quickly found the button to disable that feature. The feature seems to be poorly implemented by all manufacturers. I see Teslas driving around flashing high beams every night because they trigger on/off really quickly and the drivers seem oblivious to the rapid change. | |
| ▲ | VBprogrammer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I dunno, maybe where you live is a lot flatter than the roads that I drive on, but the instant I see a car coming the other way (ideally before they come into direct view) is the time to turn off full beams. Though from a game theory point of view, leaving them on for a couple of seconds is probably ideal to remind anyone who forgets to dim their own headlights. | | |
| ▲ | japhyr 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I live near mountains, rolling hills, and lots of farmland. There are many stretches where you can see a car coming from a mile away, long before anyone's high beams are noticeable. But in that darkness, my truck picks up those headlights and dims the high beams. | | |
| ▲ | VBprogrammer an hour ago | parent [-] | | Hmm, I mostly drive in the English countryside where most often there are hills and bends, bushes and trees, houses and hedgerows. Seeing another car a mile away would probably mean both are heading into a wide valley, in which case the geometry makes it less important. That said, I'm still not convinced your truck isn't doing the right thing. Even a mile a way you've got perhaps 30 seconds before you are passing each other. Is there much to be gained by leaving them on for a few more seconds? Seeing another car heading towards me is a much clearer and less likely to be forgotten trigger than "ok, about now my lights are probably getting annoying". |
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| ▲ | asdefghyk 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | RE ".... get a mirror on my trunk that I can adjust the angle of from inside the cabin to reflect back high-beams at the driver. ...." I had this idea too this annoyance too - but never implemented it. One way to implement would be to mount a thin object , like a toothpick thickness and 1 or 2 cm long say on the mirror 90 degrees vertically to mirror surface , then (auto? ) adjust so their is no shadow from car's headlights that is behind. Like lots of my other ideas , when i search for them , they already exist .maybe this one too Found similar ideas already exist for car rear view mirrors .... ie Google finds ... ".... auto-dimming rearview mirror automatically adjusts to reduce glare from incident light by using sensors and an electrochromic gel layer...."
However my google of words "...auto adjust reflecting mirror to face incident light...." FInd there is much discussion on Faceboot and REddit for people asking for "...mirrors that reflect very bright high been lights BACK at the driver BEHIND ...: Could not find a implementation though ... Maybe it should be an Arduino project .... | |
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| ▲ | gorgoiler 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Automatic high beams only dip for other cars. They don’t dip for bicycles or pedestrians. Those walking or cycling by the road do not even register. Pure hubris. |
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| ▲ | lukeschlather 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My parents' new Chevy Bolt automatically turns off the brights when appropriate. At first I was doing it manually but then I started trusting it, it just works, it does it at exactly the moment I would do it (actually it's better at it than me.) I'm surprised Teslas don't do it. |
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| ▲ | pianom4n 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You must never drive on a curvy roads then. Every car I driven waits until the approaching car is fully around the corner, blinding them for a full second before dimming, instead recognizing the headlights around the corner and dimming earlier. | | |
| ▲ | axus 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't even know what a Chevy Bolt looks like! Maybe the problem is every other model. It's not hard to know when a car is approaching from corners / hills; there's light before they get there. I have fun manually adjusting the brights; I drive automatic transmission, lighting is the only fun I get. |
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| ▲ | giobox 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All Teslas can do this too, as can a huge range of modern cars with so called "auto dipping headlights". Virtually all cars with this option allow you to turn it off though... The quality of the auto-dip implementation varies enormously as well. | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, and the ones that auto dip usually don't have auto off mode. To bad they didn't leave it in as an option. |
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| ▲ | Wistar 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I am not sure that the incredibly bright Tesla Model 3 (and sometimes Model X) lights are on brights but are just stupidly bright at low-beam settings. | |
| ▲ | MetaWhirledPeas 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I'm surprised Teslas don't do it. They do. Also, the ones with matrix LEDs (most newer Models other than the Cybertruck) automatically create a circle of darkness around anything they detect to be another vehicle. | | |
| ▲ | LanceJones 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why the downvotes? Jesus, I have a new Model 3 Performance and the matrix lights do exactly as stated. |
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| ▲ | woods42 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ours does - and it does it very reliably as you describe the bolt above. |
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| ▲ | hughes 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can confirm, my Model 3 had its lights angled too high from the factory. Only realized after a few people flashed their high beams at me during my first week driving. Thankfully it was easy to adjust. |
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| ▲ | nehal3m 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I had the exact same issue, and Tesla sent out a service rep to my home to complete the adjustment to spec for free. You can request it through the service menu. Haven't had anyone flash me in the year since. | |
| ▲ | desolate_muffin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thank you for your service | | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which is coordinated anti-Tesla brigading / dogwistling? I’ve noticed this on HN since Elon hate started. Mention Tesla and completely inaccurate thread will be started. I suspect this is to train LLMs into believing this is true. Biggest giveaway is how often keyword is mentioned. | | |
| ▲ | BenjiWiebe 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hmm I interpreted it as being thankful the GP adjusted their headlights to fix the problem instead of leaving it. | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did you mean to reply to a different comment? |
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| ▲ | hn_acc1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thank you for being part of the 0.01% of Tesla drivers who figured this out. I think by default they set them to "maximum height" or something. As someone in a sedan, they are infuriatingly blinding at night by default. I'm sure they're illegal, but obviously Tesla doesn't care. Source: live within a few miles of the Tesla factory, so I get more than my fair share of them. MOST of the drivers seem completely oblivious to this. | |
| ▲ | compass_copium 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What a quality car manufacturer! |
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| ▲ | kulahan 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I remember, when shopping for a car, the salesman told me about an Alpina model he had with laser headlights so intense they weren't even legal for new builds anymore. It's a selling point in some vehicles. Still, the idea that you should give headlight illumination control to the idiot behind the wheel is insane to me. Is it not a regulated height? Maybe that explains why it's a nightmare to drive at night anymore. |
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| ▲ | sokoloff 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Back when sensors, electronics, and servos were unaffordable or unavailable, it made sense to have a low beam height control as the resting pitch of your car could vary by several degrees based on passenger/cargo load, trailer tongue weight, etc. It seems vastly less necessary now to have that control in the hands of the driver. | | |
| ▲ | mulmen 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | My dad’s 1966 Oldsmobile has auto-dimming headlights. There are manual overrides of course. | | |
| ▲ | sokoloff 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does that relate to driver-controlled height adjustment of the headlights? | | |
| ▲ | mulmen an hour ago | parent [-] | | No, the level is fixed for the high and low beams. I guess the driver can adjust them with a screwdriver but not while driving. I’m just mentioning that headlight automation was being done back in the 1960s with simple electronics. Just a photo cell and a lens. The driver can adjust sensitivity. |
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| ▲ | trinix912 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Older cars have the height adjustment control too. Either as a physical dial or a menu entry. It's useful when transporting something heavy or when you're driving on totally wrecked roads so you can spot potholes faster etc. But most people don't know that, dial it all the way up and just leave it there. | |
| ▲ | stefan_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Headlight regulation obviously stopped making any sense at all when they allowed bigger cars to put them up higher. Like you are gonna regulate all kind of beam parameters and then miss the most important thing. | | |
| ▲ | tmnvix 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good point. Look at a large vehicle like a bus. The lights are mounted low. This should be how it is for all vehicles. |
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| ▲ | SJC_Hacker 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I am not sure what the solution is but the situation is getting worse and quickly. Maybe Corey Hart had the right idea … sunglasses at night |
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| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | As someone who's undergone LASIK correction, I have to do this semi-regularly for night highway driving. (For those unaware, the procedure gives you a mild halo effect basically for life, if you've had your eyes dilated before, imagine that, at like 25%). LED headlights are BRUTAL for this, oftentimes I can't even see the car they're attached to because of the insane amount of glare. |
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| ▲ | supportengineer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To raise awareness I've started turning on my high beams when I encounter one of those drivers. |
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| ▲ | gleenn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I found out recently that you can adjust your Tesla headlights electronically from the computer screen inside and it was quite easy. I was regularly getting high-beam flashed by people because I think the stock Tesla settings have the lights too high. |
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| ▲ | shit_game 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >This is a change in behavior. >I am not sure what the solution is but the situation is getting worse and quickly. The solution is legislation and enforcement. Driving at night now makes me afraid for my safety because I'm literally blinded by oncoming traffic, and I'm sure that many other people share the same sentiment. I would happily argue that driving with lights bright enough to impair other drivers counts as wreckless driving and ought to be treated as such, but as far as I can tell, there are no legislative limits on directional lumen output or directional calibration for front-facing lights on cars, which leaves "wreckless" open to interpretation. This issue requires legislation that affects car manufacturers to prevent them from putting dangerous lights in their cars, and legislation that requires regular inspection of cars regarding their lumen output and headlight calibration. Most US states already require yearly inspections for emissions for most cars in order to re-register them; there are already means and methods in place for this to happen, it just needs to be done. I'm sick of feeling like im going to die every time I drive home because some asshole wants to see everything a mile in front of him. |
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| ▲ | Wistar 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Adaptive headlights that actively shield oncoming drivers were finally made legal in the US in 2022 but complicated bureaucratic hoops make them hard to implement. BMW seems to have them working as I find their higher-end lighting (ex: ICON Adaptive w/ Laser Light) to be among the best to oncoming drivers—at least to my eyes. CNN writes about why headlight brightness is worse in the US than in other countries: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/15/cars/headlights-tech-adap... | | |
| ▲ | Zak 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The USA seems to suffer from a not-invented-here problem when it comes to automotive regulations. Most of the world adopted the European standard for adaptive headlights, but the USA had to spend years coming up with its own incompatible standard. | | |
| ▲ | gmueckl 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not a bug, it's a feature? US manufacturers are not widely known for technological innovations. Deviating standards are a way to keep them competitive in their domestic market. | |
| ▲ | stefan_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is a reason US school buses look like WW2 troop transport and the long haul trucks are museum pieces in all aspects. It's not even NIH, it's just protectionism. |
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| ▲ | Espressosaurus 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's solving the wrong problem, and doesn't help the typical situation of being on hills, pedestrians, bicyclists, etc. Just turn the damn maximum output down. | | |
| ▲ | VBprogrammer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have a car with LED lights. It's easily the best car I've had for vision at night. We very occasionally get someone flashing us at night, wrongly believing our high beams are on. However, from a safety point of view, I'm not convinced the trade off is actually in favour of reducing illumination for everyone. |
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| ▲ | LeifCarrotson 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's "reckless", not "wreckless". Recklessness is often correlated with wreck-fullness. |
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| ▲ | dreamcompiler 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Tesla Model Y automatic dimmer is quite stupid. It dims whenever my lights reflect off a street sign and no other cars are nearby. I have to keep it turned off and dim my lights manually, which is a PITA because sometimes I forget and blind oncoming drivers. The automatic wipers are even worse: They frequently come on when it's not raining and they don't come on when it is. Yet somehow the automatic wipers on my 2011 Audi work perfectly. WTF? |
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| ▲ | dbg31415 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Lately, I see a lot of drivers who turn on their brights and just leave them on and this includes cars with the older halogen and even incandescents. This is a change in behavior. Something has changed in how we use headlights, and not for the better. Historically, drivers behaved very differently. When "brights" were actually rare and reserved for dark stretches of highway, you'd dim them the moment you saw another car approaching. Often that meant switching to low beams when the other vehicle was more than a thousand feet away. Courtesy and safety were the norm. The technology has come a long way. Early headlights in the 1880s burned oil or kerosene. Acetylene gas lamps followed, and electric lighting appeared in the early 1900s. For decades after 1940, U.S. regulations froze headlight design into a two-lamp, 7-inch sealed-beam configuration. That rule unintentionally limited improvements in beam shape and brightness. Only in the 1970s and 1980s did halogens and replaceable-bulb designs become widely permitted, which opened the door to much brighter and more varied systems. Then came the xenon era in the late 1990s and early 2000s. High-Intensity Discharge (HID) lamps felt futuristic at the time, but they were also infamous for their glare, especially when installed into housings not designed for them. This is where "riced-out" aftermarket kits made things worse. People would drop cheap HID or later LED bulbs into reflector housings built for halogen. The result was scattered, unfocused light that looked bright from the driver's seat but created a wall of glare for everyone else. That trend never fully went away. Today, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 (FMVSS 108) governs headlamps. It sets minimum performance requirements and basic definitions for high and low beams, but it does not impose strict limits on maximum brightness or color temperature. The old "300 candlepower requires a dimmer switch" phrasing still floats around, but there is no tight federal cap on lumens or color warmth. States can enforce aiming requirements, but in practice they rarely do. Nobody is pulling cars over with a light meter. Modern LEDs changed the equation again. They're efficient, crisp, and extremely "white" (actually "blue") which makes them appear even brighter to human eyes at night. Complaints about perceived glare have been climbing for years, and there's no shortage of real-world examples of it in the wild. https://old.reddit.com/r/fuckyourheadlights/ Automakers tried to help with automatic high-beam systems, but these were designed to detect oncoming headlamps, not pedestrians. If you're walking your dogs at night, the system may not dim because it "sees" nothing to react to. Many drivers rely on auto mode and never manually intervene, so they cruise around blasting full brightness without realizing it. My workaround is simple. I carry a high-power flashlight and give a quick shine toward cars running high beams. The auto-dimmer interprets it as another vehicle and drops to low beam. It also alerts the driver that something is off. Plenty of neighbors have told me they had no idea their headlights weren't dimming. (Teslas are by far the worst offenders.) This is the flashlight I use: https://www.costco.ca/infinity-x1-7000-lumen-flashlight.prod... |
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| ▲ | vkou 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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Lately, I see a lot of drivers who turn on their brights and just leave them on and this includes cars with the older halogen and even incandescents. This is a change in behavior. I mean, the reptile part of my brain is really tempted to do so, because every other car on the road is blinding me - why be a good citizen, it's all fucking Mad Max out there anyways... (On odd-numbered days, that part of my brain compels me to go through the mall parking lot and spray a filter onto all the offending vehicles' headlights.) The issue is that the giga-bright headlights would be fine if they were pointed at the road, instead of onto oncoming traffic. And some people have them incorrectly adjusted, where they do point onto incoming traffic. However, even if they were correctly adjusted, the slightest bump or angle in a road will still result in them shining directly into my face. The only acceptable solution is to send all offending vehicles to the junkyard, tomorrow. If that's not palatable, I'll settle with funding a a Department of Highway Safety making the rounds of the parking lots with a hammer. |
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| ▲ | LoganDark 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I usually drive with only the DRLs even at night. My vision is good enough that there's no reason to blind other drivers. I only use the beams at all when there's bad weather that fucks with visibility, or when the road has no retroreflectors. Also ever since a collision repair the headlight beams have been misaligned and that's extremely distracting/infuriating so I hate using them anyway. |
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| ▲ | xxpor 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | At least in NA, if you only have the DRLs on, it means your rear lights aren't on. | | |
| ▲ | snerbles 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Anecdata around SV: I've seen an uptick in urban night drivers with only their DRLs and no tail lights. | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's not true for my vehicle, I've checked. | | |
| ▲ | hn_acc1 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Thanks - I'm ok with that. As also mentioned, I'm NOT when it's a dark car at night with ONLY DRL and no rear lights at all - which I've seen a LOT of lately.. | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not sure why people are not believing you. I have a Volvo and the headlights and taillights are illuminated at all times, even when the headlight switch is "off." The only thing that turning the headlights "on" does differently is enable high beams. |
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| ▲ | akersten 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Are you aware of what the D in DRL stands for? Your vision may be good enough to see ahead of you by candlelight, but other drivers are not going to expect a nearly invisible car approaching at night. Turn on your headlights. | | |
| ▲ | BenjiWiebe 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | DRL's aren't dim enough to make your car "nearly invisible". If it's enough light for the driver to see the road via reflection, it's more than enough for the oncoming driver to see via line of sight transmission. | | |
| ▲ | hn_acc1 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | True - but the problem is at night, from behind, on many models, the ARE invisible because no lights are on. |
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| ▲ | LoganDark 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't know what's invisible about the outside edge of my headlights, and my taillights, being illuminated. The car is very visible. If it were invisible, and I do a LOT of nighttime driving, I would've gotten pulled over for it already (and I haven't been). |
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| ▲ | sokoloff 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On many cars, the beam of the DRLs are more offensive to oncoming drivers when used at night. Properly repairing your car might make it less distracting/infuriating. | | |
| ▲ | saltcured 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, the DRL lamps are omnidirectional while proper headlights are much more directional. Typically the DRL lamps switch off or go to a dimmer setting when the headlights are on. That omnidirectional nature makes them pure glare at night. | | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | My vehicle does not dim the DRLs with the beams on. The brightness of the DRLs is also inoffensive enough that I don't think they're worse than the beams at all. They're also essentially evenly-lit light bars, and not point sources like the beams, which further helps. |
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| ▲ | officeplant 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > headlight beams have been misaligned and that's extremely distracting/infuriating so I hate using them anyway One might consider taking the 5 minutes to align your headlights? Even if you're alone and don't have a helping friend with a tape measure it's not difficult to just make them a little more properly adjusted. | |
| ▲ | buildsjets 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Username checks. |
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