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Freak_NL 10 hours ago

Is there a word for that feeling of relief when someone else fucked up after initially thinking it was you?

spamizbad 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What’s funny is as I get older this feeling of relief turns more like a feeling of dread. The nice thing about problems that you cause is that you have considerable autonomy to fix them. Cloudflare goes down you’re sitting and waiting for a 3 party to fix something.

mewpmewp2 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why is it dread? I always feel good when big players mess up, as it makes me feel better about my own mess ups in life previously.

twodave 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can’t speak for GP but ultimately I’d rather it be my fault or my company’s fault so I have something I can directly do for my customers who can’t use our software. The sense of dread isn’t about failure but feeling empathy for others who might not make payroll on time or whatever because my service that they rely on is down. And the second order effects, like some employee of a customer being unable to make rent or be forced to take out a short term loan or whatever. The fallout from something like this can have an unexpected human cost at times. Thankfully it’s Tuesday, not a critical payroll day for most employees.

mewpmewp2 8 hours ago | parent [-]

But why does this case specifically matter? What if their system was down due to their WiFi or other layers beyond your software? Would you feel the same as well?

What about all the other systems and people suffering elsewhere in the World?

twodave 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Are you suggesting that if I can't feel empathy for everybody at once, or in every one of their circumstances, that I should not feel anything at all for anyone? That's not how anything works. Life (or, as I believe, God) brings us into contact with all kinds of people experiencing different levels of joy and pain. It's natural to empathize with the people you're around, whatever they're feeling. Don't over-complicate it.

kasey_junk 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because my customers don’t (and shouldn’t care) it’s a third party. If I caused it there is a chance I can fix it.

_factor 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So you would rather be incompetent than powerless? Choice of third party vendor on client facing services is still on you, so maybe you prefer your incompetence be more direct and tangible?

Even still, you should have policies in place to mitigate such eventualities, that way you can focus the incompetence into systematic issues instead. The larger the company, the less acceptable these failures become. Lessons learned is a better excuse for a shake and break startup than an established player that can pay to be secure.

At some point, the finger has to be pointed. Personally, I don't dread it pointing elsewhere. Just means I've done my due D and C.

shufflerofrocks 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Your priority (in this comment atleast) is about the finger-pointing, while the parent's priority is wanting a fix to the issue at hand.

mewpmewp2 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If customers expected third party downtime to not affect their thing then you shouldn't have picked a third party provider or spent extra resources on not having a single point of failure? If they were happy with choosing the third party with knowledge of depending on said third party provider, then it was an accepted risk.

sys_64738 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When others cause problems then you can put your feet up and surf the web waiting for resolution. Oh, wait.

jspash 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem is, I still get the wrong end of the stick when AWS or CF go down! Management doesn't care, understandably. They just want the money to keep coming in. It's hard to convince them that this is a pretty big problem. The only thing that will calm them down a bit is to tell them Twitter is also down. If that doesn't get them, I say ChatGPT is also down. Now NOBODY will get any work done! lol.

hylaride 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is why you ALWAYS have a proposal ready. I literally had my ass saved by having tickets with reliability/redundancy work clearly laid out with comments by out of touch product/people managers deprioritizing the work after attempts to pull it off the backlog (in one infamous case for a notoriously poorly conceived and expensive failure of a project that haunted us again with lost opportunity cost).

The hilarious part of the whole story is that the same PMs and product managers were (and I cannot overemphasize this enough) absolutely militant orthodox agile practitioners with jira.

aurareturn 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Every time a major cloud goes down, management tells us why don't we have a backup service that we can switch to. Then I tell them that a bunch of services worth a lot more than us are also down. Do you really want to spend the insane amount of resources to make sure our service stays up when the global internet is down?

ec109685 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Having an alt to Cloudflare isn’t preposterous.

graemep 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Who decided to go with AWS of CF? If its a management decision tell them you need the resources to have a fallback if they want their system to be more reliable than AWS or CF.

adriand 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Haha yeah I just got off the phone and I said, look, either this gets fixed soon or there's going to be news headlines with photographs of giant queues of people milling around in airports.

jpmonette 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

phewphoria

Sholmesy 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, at least something good came out of this incident.

Perfect.

Freak_NL 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yup, that works.

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zzzeek 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it has to sound like a german word though

puilp0502 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is there a word for a feeling that there's gotta be a German word for this niche feeling?

patneedham 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Probably Deutschwortsehnsucht (https://www.iamexpat.de/education/education-news/german-word...)

usrusr 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You mean like when the Wortzusammensetzungsverdacht just hits you? (yeah, I just made that up, that's the beauty)

Shugyousha 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fremdverfehlungserleichterung?

chrisweekly 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Entlastungvergnugen?

datenhorst 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

puhphorie

bookofjoe 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The German word “schadenfreude” means taking pleasure in someone else’s misfortune; enjoyment rather than relief.

bryanrasmussen 8 hours ago | parent [-]

since schaden is damage and freude is joy, not sure what it should be - maybe Schadeleichtig hmm...

tauchunfall 8 hours ago | parent [-]

>maybe Schadeleichtig

Maybe "Erleichterung" (relief)? But as a German "Schadenserleichterung" (also: notice the "s" between both compound word parts) rather sounds like a reduction of damage (since "Erleichterung" also means mitigation or alleviation).

shortrounddev2 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I'm debugging something, I'm not usually looking for the solution to the problem; I'm looking for sufficient evidence that I didn't cause the problem. Once I have that, the velocity at which I work slows down

sys_64738 8 hours ago | parent [-]

My manager once asked if he could have a "quick word". I said "velocity".

Rooster61 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Schadenfriend?

You gain relief, but you don't exactly derive pleasure as it's someone you know that's getting the ass end of the deal

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mcphage 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe this isn’t great, but I get a hint of that feeling when I’m on an airplane and hear a baby crying. For a number of years, if I heard a baby crying, it was probably my baby and I had to deal with it. But now my kids are past that phase, so when I hear the crying, after that initial jolt of panic I realize that it isn’t my problem, and that does give me the warm fuzzies. Even though I do feel bad for the baby and their parents.

adriand 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Related situation: you're at a family gathering and everyone has young kids running around. You hear a thump, and then some kid starts screaming. Conversation stops and every parent keenly listens to the screams to try and figure out whose kid just got hurt, then some other parent jumps up - it's not your kid! #phewphoria

RhysU 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're not alone in this feeling. I occasionally smile when it's not my kid.

hackeraccount 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is one of the secret joys of being a parent.

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StanAngeloff 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Schadenfreude

gnfargbl 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nah, that's delight in someone else's misfortune. This is delight that the misfortune wasn't yours, which is slightly different.

StanAngeloff 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

4 years of German and I still don't quite "get" it :^) TY!

tagyro 10 hours ago | parent [-]

We have a saying:

You know how you measure eternity?

When you finish learning German.

namblooc 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Katastrophenverursachererleichterung

LinXitoW 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Katastrophenverursacherverlagerungserleichterung

namblooc 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Even better

simonklitj 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not quite, that’s more like taking pleasure in the misfortune of someone else. It’s close, but the specific relief bit that it is not _your_ misfortune is not captured

skottenborg 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Internettet er vist ikke så stort :-)

simonklitj 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Fætter! Hvor genialt at se dig her. :)

cromka 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

vindication?

stonecharioteer 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's close enough to Schadenfreude but not really.