| ▲ | netdevphoenix 14 hours ago |
| Why do programmers have so little imagination when it comes to names? It should almost never be the case that project names conflict |
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| ▲ | corysama 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| For one, the project started in 2019 https://geminiprotocol.net/history/ So, I guess Google should rename their LLM? For another, to do that we'd have to follow something like the prescription drug naming process https://globalhealthnow.org/2024-07/why-do-prescription-drug... That way, instead of "Gemini", they could have named it something like "Cymbalta", "Xeljanz" or "Cialis" :P |
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| ▲ | myaccountonhn 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ask Google, this project predates the LLM. |
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| ▲ | ChipopLeMoral 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Back when I was a Googler, I used to play a little game where I would think of a random word and then check if there was a Google internal project code named for it. It was a bit hard finding stuff that wasn't some system or project, and often there would be multiple ones. I actually found one that I thought would be a nice name and reserved the go link for it, but naming anything after it never panned out, when I finally got to design a system from scratch my manager wanted a boring descriptive name like "consolidated data system" (it was a bit more specific but that was the vibe). Side note: I noticed that more "boring" and less sexy projects had cooler names a lot of the time, and my theory was that people were compensating for doing unsexy work. | | |
| ▲ | mkoryak 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I reserved go/poop years ago, but the ability to name a project with that name is diminishing | | | |
| ▲ | morkalork 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Google eats their own with names. Their latest and greatest AI framewofk is Agent Development Kit (ADK). Not to be confused with the Android Development Kit... | | |
| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can't wait for Google to announce a humanoid robot project called "Google Android"... | |
| ▲ | InitialLastName 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Try being Microsoft and having two different LLM products and an entire office suite named Copilot. | |
| ▲ | goatsi 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I remember a comment on here years ago from someone in GCP who mentioned that they did not control the "Cloud" namespace. So any VP could launch a new project and call it cloud something and make people very confused about why it wasn't showing up in the cloud dashboard and API. | |
| ▲ | kridsdale3 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | At least the internal name of that kit is a cool name. So we should blame the Cloud marketing people who likely don't know about Android since they're Cloud people. |
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| ▲ | mattlondon 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Please no more "Project Espresso" nonsense that is entirely meaningless to anyone reading this. Pick a descriptive name. Everyone else who is not in your team will thank you. | | |
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| ▲ | CobrastanJorji 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Fun fact: one of the first 10 bugs filed on the Go programming language was "Hey, I've been working on a programming language named Go for the last 10 years, please pick another name." https://github.com/golang/go/issues/9 | |
| ▲ | saretup 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Too small for Google to care about. | | |
| ▲ | rapnie 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Large tech molochs don't care about any name, it seems. Their power and weight makes the name point to them. Seek on "Amazon" and find that, oh the 7th Wonder of Nature the "Amazon rainforest" is ranked second after some random Big Tech company run by a guy named Jeff. The "lungs of the earth" vs. cheap package delivery and AWS dashboards. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean, yeah. What percentage of searches for "Amazon" in today's world do you think is going to not be about acquiring cheap shit very quickly? I would expect the tech company to be a better answer than most when someone searches for Amazon. Searching for "the amazon" gives the expected results as that's how it is more commonly referred. So it does seems like your search query as performed was just a bad search | | |
| ▲ | immibis 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I bet it would be a few percent less and the world would be a fraction of a percent better if the first result was the rainforest. I wonder how much they pay Google for the top spot. | | |
| ▲ | comex 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Amazon does not need to pay Google for this. There is no world where Google puts an organic result about the rainforest in the top spot, because it's not what most users are looking for. At most there might be a world where Google puts someone else's ad above the organic results. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | you'll probably find a Google expense for the same value of Amazon services so that no money ever trades hands, but both companies' valuations are inflated |
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| ▲ | zitterbewegung 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things. -- Phil Karlton |
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| ▲ | roomey 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You forgot the "and off by one errors" | |
| ▲ | javier123454321 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would add also hearing this quip every time either of those things come up un conversation. | |
| ▲ | __MatrixMan__ 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've always wondered if he meant coming up with good names or if he meant ensuring that names, however they're chosen, reliably resolve to the named thing. | |
| ▲ | johnnyo 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | “There are only two hard things in computer science. Cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors.” | | |
| ▲ | newswasboring 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My favorite form is when someone shouts "concurrency" in the middle of the sentence. | |
| ▲ | begueradj 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "There are 2 hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-1 errors" |
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| ▲ | tracker1 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You forgot "Off by one errors." |
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| ▲ | __MatrixMan__ 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do you have a pile of projects lying around with good names? Coming up with a good one is hard and getting harder every day. |
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| ▲ | mtzaldo 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They all watched the same movies or read the same books |
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| ▲ | llm_nerd 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why single out programmers? Name collisions happen in constantly, across every single industry. It turns out that there really aren't that many possible project names before you get into the made-up "that sounds stupid" words. |
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| ▲ | ddellacosta 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "It should almost never be the case that project names conflict" My corollary to this is "You should never reach for a language you are not fluent in for a name. Especially, just stop it with using Japanese words to name stuff please ffs" |
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| ▲ | SkyeCA 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > You should never reach for a language you are not fluent in for a name I agree, but that still doesn't stop funny name related issues between languages. One of my favourites was Pidora (a Fedora release for the RPI) which caused offence to some Russian speakers. | | |
| ▲ | ddellacosta 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Heh good point. Coq comes to mind too...there was something else recently that sounded terrible in French..."Bitchat" maybe? |
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| ▲ | exasperaited 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > It should almost never be the case that project names conflict Sure, if you want projects to have the same naming strategy as Chinese Amazon Marketplace vendors. Away from that, significance in naming begins to cluster quite quickly. |