| ▲ | Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies(angadh.com) |
| 77 points by surprisetalk 13 hours ago | 74 comments |
| Audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld2E9LWIYJk&list=PLhQ_EZYXXS... Transcript: https://www.organism.earth/library/document/realizing-human-... |
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| ▲ | ggm 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| "predicts" must be a variant of standard english which projects the past tense into the present tense because .. reasons? He predicted. Absent an Ouija board, he isn't predicting any more. |
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| ▲ | gnatman 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Substituted amphetamines were already very popular in the 1950s. |
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| ▲ | thatoneguy 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Methamphetamine was invented in Germany in 1937 and the German military at the time was very quick to adopt its use. | | |
| ▲ | ux266478 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Everybody who could afford it adopted psychostimulants in WW2. Go pills have been part and parcel since then. Some countries have adopted modafinil, but the US still uses amphetamine. | | |
| ▲ | sqircles 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am an adult with ADHD and have never been able to get past the side effects that I have to drugs such as amphetamines and SSRIs. I was prescribed Modafinil for a short period for "Shift Work Disorder" when I worked shift work as a Stationary Engineer and it was glorious in regard to my ADHD symptoms with effectively zero side effects. I wish the US would expand its usage. | | |
| ▲ | nradov 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Modafinil is only a Schedule IV controlled substance so it's usually possible to find a doctor who will prescribe off label if you want it. (This isn't medical advice.) | |
| ▲ | loeg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Adrafinil is straight up unregulated in the US and is metabolized to modafinil in the body if you want to, you know, expand its usage personally. | | |
| ▲ | Loughla an hour ago | parent [-] | | Just a note for anyone passing by. The side effects are rare, except diarrhea and you need to watch your liver enzyme levels if I remember right. Everyone I know who's taken that had diarrhea the entire time (manageable with meds), and it will screw your liver long term. But I'm not a doctor either so who knows really. | | |
| ▲ | loeg 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think the GI effects are basically the same between any of the -afinils, FWIW. I wouldn't recommend them in general, but mostly because they last too long to really work with a normal 16/8 sleep cycle and the other stimmy effects can detract from things other than focus work. |
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| ▲ | consumer451 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I am not sure if that's still the case, but "go pills," Dexedrine, were certainly used in Afghanistan. Here was a horrible potential side-effect: https://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/friendlyfire/gopills.htm... |
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| ▲ | tetris11 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > In 1919, the Japanese discovered a more potent version of the drug — methamphetamine. The new drug was a crystalline powder soluble in water. In this form, it can be smoked, injected, snorted or taken orally. Users get an intense but brief high when they inject or smoke the drug, but if it's snorted or taken orally by capsule, the high lasts longer. | | |
| ▲ | ClimaxGravely 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There was also a drink with same name hiropon that was generally available for some time. I tried googling for more info but I haven't been able to find much in English and my Japanese isn't good enough to read at that level. I've only heard about it from my wife and a few other people in Japan. I've seen a few old posters for it at old bars. |
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| ▲ | consumer451 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | An army of tweakers. I don't think that this aspect of the War and the Holocaust are discussed enough. Certainly no excuse, but it is very interesting. > Chronic Meth users have deficits in memory and executive functioning as well as higher rates of anxiety, depression, and most notably psychosis. [0] In more recent times of horror: > After the fall of the al-Assad regime in Syria, large stockpiles of the illicit drug captagon have reportedly been uncovered. > The stockpiles, found by Syrian rebels, are believed to be linked to al-Assad military headquarters, implicating the fallen regime in the drug’s manufacture and distribution. [1] [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3764482/ [1] https://theconversation.com/what-is-the-drug-captagon-and-ho... | | |
| ▲ | nsriv 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Highly recommend the book "Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich" by Norman Ohler, a podcast promo led me to get the book from the library and I really liked it! | |
| ▲ | baxtr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There were also reports about widespread use of captagon during the attacks of October 7th 2023. | | | |
| ▲ | Melatonic 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Im sure eventually whatever pills the Germans were taking back then were bad for you but I would imagine smoking huge doses of not so pure street meth is quite a bit different than something created in a lab. That being said if anyone uses drugs to avoid sleeping for many days straight I would imagine it's quite horrible for your mental health | | |
| ▲ | 3eb7988a1663 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Considering the soldiers were already extremely high risk for lead poisoning, might have been low on the list of concerns. | |
| ▲ | DANmode 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So…not that different. |
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| ▲ | mhurron 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And had been researched treat symptoms of depression and what would eventually be called ADHD in the 1930's. | | |
| ▲ | RobotToaster 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Benzedrine (an amphetamine inhaler) was the first antidepressant marketed (although at the time I believe they used the term "psychic energizer" for antidepressants) |
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| ▲ | cassepipe 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ... and I didn't know about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_amphetamine The most famous in that family seems to be meth(amphetamine) |
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| ▲ | topherPedersen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's a schizophrenic vandal here in Austin that spray paints SOMA© all up and down Riverside Drive. |
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| ▲ | earlyriser 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I read champignons and it kind of fit even better. Adderall (Brave New World) and mushrooms (Island). |
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| ▲ | brandall10 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Soma in BNW is more analogous to MDMA as it's about sedated pleasure, not mental clarity/performance. | | |
| ▲ | loeg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | MDMA isn't sedated pleasure, it's very stimmy pleasure. | |
| ▲ | gwbas1c 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I seem to think marijuana is more about sedated pleasure than MDMA. Granted, it's been about 30 years since I read Brave New World. | | |
| ▲ | mfro 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree, soma definitely parallels weed much more closely, but I don't think it's a perfect match. Huxley imagines a drug a bit more insidious, without obviously negative side effects, and with somewhat unrealistic(imo) intended effects. | |
| ▲ | Melatonic 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd say something with the intensity of weed (relatively low) along with the effects of MDMA. Essentially "MDMA lite" Marijuana often seems to promote thinking "outside the box" which is probably not what the Brave New World people would want for their population | | |
| ▲ | FooBarBizBazz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think he was inspired by Valium and other benzos. They put people into a docile, low-anxiety state, and they were popular around the time the book was written. That's also more-or-less consistent with the implied literary reference to the Lotus Eaters, who I think are usually imagined as opium users. Opioids are different but are also downers that reduce anxiety. Benzos later featured significantly in one of Adam Curtis' film-essays -- maybe Century of the Self, maybe another one. I'd view those films as being in a similar spirit to Brave New World. |
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| ▲ | Spivak 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is, you're right, and it's super weird what happens on the internet when you suggest weed isn't some gateway to enlightenment. I love cannabis, but it's a depressant that increases dopamine, it's not that complicated. Stoners on the internet sound exactly like alcoholics—they say it makes them more creative, helps them sleep, deal with anxiety too. We do such a shit job teaching about signs of psychological addiction. | |
| ▲ | brandall10 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The sedation is psychological - soma suppresses discomfort and boosts easy pleasure. It’s not introspective at all, which makes it much closer to MDMA than to cannabis. |
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| ▲ | ratelimitsteve 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | mdma is pleasureful but extremely non-sedated | | |
| ▲ | Liquix 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | pure racemic MDMA has very little stimulant effect. street MDMA can feel stimulating because it is either intentionally mixed with caffeine/speed/meth or contains residual precursor from clandestine synthesis. my major state was one of deep relaxation ... MDMA does not work like Dexedrine ... I feel totally peaceful. - Alexander Shulgin, PIHKAL https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal109... | |
| ▲ | brandall10 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I meant the psychological role in the book - soma as a tool to melt away discomfort or disturbing feelings, not its literal pharmacology. | |
| ▲ | wmeredith 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The street drug Ecstasy is MDMA usually mixed with speed. MDMA doesn't have a stimulating effect. |
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| ▲ | greekrich92 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just want to echo someone else's sub-thread:
Adderall is not at all similar to Huxley's description of Soma. Soma was about feeling good and not having to think of the evil things that make the BNW society possible, not efficiency. |
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| ▲ | loeg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sounds more like opiates (5000 BCE) or benzos (1950s). | |
| ▲ | Melatonic 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's also what I thought - Wasn't Soma more of a way to make people question less and just remain in a blissed out but maybe sort of out of it state at all times ? Seems very different than amphetamines | | |
| ▲ | phantasmish 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The link (including the transcript of Huxley’s lecture) doesn’t seem to be about Soma, unless I’m missing something. Huxley produced a lot of work outside of Brave New World, lots of it concerned with drugs and altered states of consciousness (so much so that personally I don’t think I’ve done enough drugs to understand his perspective, as I find him distinctly, and almost uniquely among such high-profile authors that I’ve tried, unreadable) | | |
| ▲ | angadh 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are vey correct—the talk and link have nothing to do with Soma. I can only presume, based on timing of the talk being 1960, that his thoughts here link to mescaline and the practical utopia he talks of in Island, whose inhabitants make use of a local psychedelic. So whatever he must have said here had more to do with his later perspectives than his feelings around the island. | |
| ▲ | Melatonic 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Guess more of us should have read the link more carefully..... oops ! | |
| ▲ | greekrich92 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fair enough, but I have read Island, The Doors of Perception, and BNW, and none of those books described using uppers or anything about efficiency. Island was psychedelics (fantastic book in my opinion). |
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| ▲ | mattgreenrocks 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So kind of like our social media feeds then? | | |
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| ▲ | IIAOPSW 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Dune also predicted it. The spice must flow. |
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| ▲ | devmor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why does a space engineering lecturer believe he has novel thoughts on ADHD treatment inspired by an author from a medical era he didn’t bother to do cursory research of? |
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| ▲ | alterom 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This article (and the title alone) is harmful. Adderall is not about increasing mental efficiency. What Adderall is about is: - helping with executive dysfunction for people who suffer from it. - allowing people with ADHD like me to function. To do the things that everyone else does, things that we want to do and need to do, but can't do because of the way our brains are wired. - increasing the lifespan of ADHD people who don't get help. Women with ADHD die about 9 years younger than those without ADHD [1]. - making our lives less painful, since every small task incurs pain, resulting in 3x depression rates [2] and alarmingly high suicidal ideation rates (50% of ADHD adults [3]). Please, please, educate yourself about ADHD and medication for it before writing something like this title. No, Aldous Huxley didn't. "predict" Adderall. To understand more, I've put together a resource which, I hope, will be easy enough to digest. Here's my experience of getting prescribed Adderall for my ADHD: https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication If I have attention deficit and I could write it, I hope you (and the author of the text we're discussing) could spare some attention to it before talking about Adderall, amphetamines, and other stimulants prescribed for ADHD. Thank you in advance. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/01/23/nx... [2] https://add.org/adhd-and-depression/ [3] https://crownviewpsych.com/blog/adhd-increased-risk-suicide-... |
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| ▲ | freetime2 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's long, but I listened to this podcast a while back with Peter Attia and Trenna Sutcliffe discussing Autism, ADHD, and Anxiety, and found that it really reduced the stigma I associated with medication for treatment of ADHD. In particular, understanding the risks of not effectively treating ADHD, in comparison with with the potential risks/benefits of the medication. That's not to say that we should only rely on medication - behavioral therapy (with parents involved too) should also play a part. https://peterattiamd.com/trennasutcliffe/ | | |
| ▲ | hombre_fatal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You could draw a parallel with GLP-1 agonists: people like to grandstand about how you shouldn't need it and how it's somehow cheating. As if it's not addressing a condition that people are suffering from right now, today. The stigma also seems to accidentally admit that things like executive function and food noise aren't equally distributed, thus some people could benefit from intervention. For example, if you've never been fat or you never binge eat or you've never procrastinated 15min of homework until 2am despite, then you're missing the irony when your solution for people who deal with these things is to try harder and to jump through hoops that you don't need to. | | | |
| ▲ | luckydata an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Behavioral therapy is only needed to make people feel better about taking amphetamines. It takes only a very cursory review of published reputable papers to realize there's nothing behavioral therapy can do to improve ADHD because as Russell Barkley says ADHD is a disability of doing, not knowing what to do. | | |
| ▲ | wisty 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Not true. CBT works pretty well for adhd, studies are clear on this. But medication seems even better, as does a combination of therapy and medication. ADHD isn't unusual as far as the effectiveness of therapy, it's unusual in how well the medication is proven to work. | |
| ▲ | freetime2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | If medication alone has worked for you, that's great! But I don't think your opinion matches the medical consensus. > For children with ADHD younger than 6 years of age, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends parent training in behavior management as the first line of treatment, before medication is tried. > For children 6 years of age and older, the recommendations include medication and behavior therapy together—parent training in behavior management for children up to age 12 and other types of behavior therapy and training for adolescents. Schools can be part of the treatment as well. AAP recommendations also include adding behavioral classroom intervention and school supports. [1] [1] https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/treatment/index.html |
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| ▲ | alterom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Therapy, and most of all, understanding how our brains work make all the difference in the world. It's like realizing that the reason you've been getting stuck in the mud is not that you're a bad driver. It's just that people who don't are driving 4x4 trucks, and you've had a Nissan Z series sports car. Turns out, farms and off-road are simply not the right environment for your vehicle, and when that environment has some accomodations, like the paved surface of a highway or a race track, you're literally running circles around people in the most common vehicles. One profound effect of taking Adderall was feeling the clarity to understand that difference, and seeing the road instead of the endless mud fields in front of me. It does help to get things done, but around 30% of ADHD'ers aren't responsive to it. Understanding that you're getting stuck because your brain wasn't meant for that kind of driving, however, is universally useful. That's why I made that ADHD wiki [1], and keep posting links to it. It's an compilation of information that has helped me tremendously to understand the above; and I know this resource was helpful to others too in their journeys. My perspective is that of a late-diagnosed adult who's been completely unaware of what ADHD is, and thought that they can't possibly have an attention deficit because to get anything done, they have to hyperfocus on it. Again, learning that hyperfocus is a symptom of ADHD and understanding how it works)l had a profound impact. And medication helped with that too: it's easier to not get stuck hyperfocused on the wrong thing with Adderall. Getting Adderall was like spraying WD-40 into rusty steering components. The immediate effect is that I can go where I want to go to, not the random direction my vehicle happens to face. The long-term effect though was understanding what makes it difficult to steer, and how to maintain it better. And even if I don't have power steering all the time like everyone else, I'm still better off with that experience. My point here that it's never about medication VERSUS therapy and knowledge. Medication is not an alternative, it's a BOOSTER. When it works, it's just dropping the difficulty from Nightmare to Medium/Hard. It doesn't play the game for you. The said, I'm very much happy the Nightmare mode days are behind me, and I'm very sad that the only reason I've been living my life that way is stigma and lack of information. When I took Adderall, I unexpectedly had to grieve the future I'll never get to have after being held back by all the pain I've been needlessly subjected to over the preceding three decades. That grief, too, is a common experience in ADHD late-diagnosed adults. Thank you for sharing that link, and contributing to the discussion and awareness <3 [1] https://romankogan.net/adhd | | |
| ▲ | luckydata an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm sorry but therapy does NOTHING for ADHD. I wish it did, it would be very useful to me, but it's just not the case. | | |
| ▲ | zinodaur an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm sorry that has been your experience, but I have had very different experiences - I'd encourage you to give it another shot, there is a lot left on the table for you |
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| ▲ | diob 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, that image is so funny, because it really is the difference between me being able to make a meal for myself vs needing something immediate. It also helped do wonders for my anxiety, which I previously treated with sertaline. I'm not the hyperactive sort of individual who has ADHD so I didn't get diagnosed until late in life, around a year or so ago, I'm just the "Inattentive" type. But finally I can take my meds, and do things that other people do without feeling like it's mental torture. And I can also remember to do important things, like my taxes, on time! It's so weird comparing my days on it to off it, when I happen to run out. I start getting a backlog of little things that my brain decided it couldn't take one minute to knock out. | | |
| ▲ | alterom 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I could second every word of what you just said (as you already know after reading that page, of course). Just wanted to reiterate it for anyone who's reading this thread. |
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| ▲ | angadh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The author of this piece—which I am—is reporting on Huxley’s MIT talk. He predicted a drug that improves mental efficiency/focus. And the talk discusses alternative non-pharmacological approaches. You are welcome to either actually read my piece or, better, listen to his talk. There is no judgment against the substance but a call for additional approaches to enhance a person. | | |
| ▲ | sillywabbit 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I read your piece. Your title is clickbait, and you know it. | |
| ▲ | alterom 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >The author of this piece—which I am—is reporting on Huxley’s MIT talk. Thank you for joining this discussion. > You are welcome to either actually read my piece That's condescending; I have read your piece, and am responding directly to it. Consider avoiding using this tone. >He [Huxley] predicted a drug [Adderall] that improves mental efficiency/focus Thank you for re-iterating the erroneous point in your article that I'm calling out and objecting to. As an ADHD person and communicator who's being prescribed this drug, I want to bring your attention to a very simple fact: Adderall is NOT a drug that "improves mental efficiency". That's not what it does, and that's not what it's for. ADHD folks aren't being prescribed it because we are mentally deficient. And it's not helping us with focus either. It's helping us overcome Executive Dysfunction. We can focus harder than people without ADHD as it is; see: https://romankogan.net/adhd#Hyperfocus Adderall doesn't make us focus more, it helps us direct our focus to the right thing. > There is no judgment against the substance There is misinformation that contributes to the judgement being formed, as well as a false dichotomy with "non-pharmacological" approaches being an alternative. I hope you could understand the objection someone can raise to the discussion of "non-pharmacological" ALTERNATIVES to painkillers, antihistamines, or antibiotics, or chemotherapy. The point isn't that non-pharmacological approaches (or meds) are bad, it's that the discussion should be about how these approaches should be used IN CONCERT (WHEN the meds help). >but a call for additional approaches to enhance a person. For God's sake, please read the link I've shared about Adderall specifically: https://romankogan.net/adhd#Medication Adderall is not a drug that "enhances a person". People when ADHD aren't in need of "enhancement". On that note: to really understand what Adderall is (and what my objection is about), you need to understand what it's for. I've put together a resource specifically to help people understand that: https://romankogan.net/adhd I hope that you will take advantage of it. It's about 100 pages when printed out, so I would suggest you start with the links on Hyperfocus and Medication, and come back here to reflect. Looking forward to hearing from you what you've learned about Adderall and ADHD after reading the comments in this discusson as well as the links. Thank you <3 |
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| ▲ | volf_ 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Exactly. Adderall has no positive relationship to my mental efficiency. It can in fact be a negative once your passed the 8 hour windows where its still in your system. At the end of the day, it makes it easier to not bounce between different things. It doesn't help me be smarter. It helps me drive to work without needing to listen to music and be on my phone. Modafinil... maybe. | |
| ▲ | itishappy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The title is perhaps a bit unfortunate. I don't believe this is specifically about ADHD. Adderall is a stimulant with the effects Huxley predicted. It also happens to treat ADHD. I believe it's being used here in the former capacity. | | |
| ▲ | latentsea 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The thing is, when you have ADHD and you take stimulants you don't feel any sort of high or however it makes people with normally functioning dopamine receptors feel, you just feel normal. | |
| ▲ | alterom an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Adderall is a stimulant with the effects Huxley predicted. That's exactly my point: it is NOT. Not for the people Adderall is prescribed to and was developed for. See: https://romankogan.net/adhd#Medication >I don't believe this is specifically about ADHD. There's nothing to believe in here. Adderall is a drug that's specifically about ADHD. It's a stimulant that helps people with ADHD overcome executive dysfunction: https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Executive%20Dysfunction You can't talk about Adderall without talking about ADHD just like you can't talk about allergy pills without talking about allergies, or talk about eyeglasses without talking about myopia. > It also happens to treat ADHD NO. Please reconsider sharing this sentiment. Adderall is a drug for treating ADHD that also happens to be abused by people thinking it'll have the "effects Huxley predicted" (enhancing thinking efficiency). It does not; that's the reason why it's a controlled substance. When abused, it will wreck your brain. As an analogy: glasses make people with myopia see better, but wearing glasses without prescription is a very bad idea. >I believe it's being used here in the former capacity. I understand this, and it's a misconception I'm trying to dispel. With evidence and scientific understanding, mind you, and not just with vibes about thinking what Adderall is. Speaking of which, I forgot to take it, which means I'm about to have my breakfast at 5PM because I couldn't bring myself to do the eating task earlier. This is what Adderall is for. >The title is perhaps a bit unfortunate. The title is repeated verbatim in the article, whose author has kindly replied in this thread and re-stated it twice (as did you), as if I weren't directly addressing the fallacious point that the author employed to attract attention to Huxley's lecture (which doesn't need such advertising in the first place). It's not the title that's a bit unfortunate. It's the mention of Adderall, and the myth that it's a "brain-enhancing" drug. If it were, it'd be given to everyone already, and perhaps there'd be fewer people spreading vibe-based falsities in post titles, but I digress. The point is: ============== Adderall does NOT enhance mental efficiency, as Huxley's fantasized drug would. Adderall HELPS people with ADHD overcome EXECUTIVE DYSFUNCTION. That's what it's for. That's what it DOES. If you take it for ANYTHING ELSE, you will NOT get the intended result, and you will likely FUCK YOURSELF UP. Spreading the MISCONCEPTION that Adderall is a "brain-enhancing” drug (as the author opined in the comments here) drives the ABUSE of this medication, which HARMS people and makes ADHD harder to obtain for people who NEED it to function. ======== I hope I've succeeded in bringing your attention to this issue. If this hasn't changed your point of view, please let me know what else I can elaborate on. Thank you <3 |
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| ▲ | tootie 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Adderall also treats excessive daytime sleepiness associated with narcolepsy and I'd be a shambolic zombie without it. It's downright insulting when people think pharmaceuticals are some kind of shortcut to avoid some more disciplined approach. It's medicine to treat illness. Any medicine can be abused or misused but some of us just really need it to correct dysfunction. | |
| ▲ | UniverseHacker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thank you for writing this. There are so many misconceptions about what ADHD is and how it’s treatments work. | |
| ▲ | d4mi3n 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Here here. I also have ADHD though I couldn’t use stimulant medications due to bad reactions to it, but I’ve had success with non-stimulant medications (Straterra aka atomoxetine [1]). A big thing I struggled with prior to medical treatment that I don’t often hear discussed about ADHd was rejection sensitivity. For those unfamiliar: imagine a time someone said something that hurt your feelings or caused a strong emotional reaction. Now imagine that as a routine emotional response to day to day interactions. Feeling intensely sad, irritated, insulted, etc. to extents completely o it of proportion to whatever was said or even implied. It’s brutal. It contributes to a lot of depression and social anxiety for folks with ADHD. It doesn’t matter if you’re aware of the response being disproportionate—you get to go on that emotional roller coaster whenever somebody says they don’t care for your favorite food, accidentally cut you off in a conversation, or the day just turns out differently than you were expecting. Medical treatment makes a huge difference—in my particular case the difference between feeling like I had the emotional regulation of a toddler and not needing to constantly question every emotion I felt prior to responding to things I was reacting to. Stimulant medications didn’t work for me, but they do this for most people with ADHD (more effectively, too!) and like alterom it saddens me whenever FUD like this crops up. | | |
| ▲ | alterom 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thanks for writing this comment and raising awareness! Rejection sensitivity is neurodivergent trait that's not exclusive to ADHD, but the way it manifests with ADHD can be truly life-derailing. Learning about it helped me a lot to deal with it (in particular, externalizing that emotion as a trait and not what me is). I wrote about it too in that wiki. Here's my experience with rejection sensitivity in the ADHD context: https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Rejection%20Sensitivity |
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| ▲ | logicprog 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thank you so much for this. I'm REALLY tired of anti ADHD medication propaganda, it's anti intellectual nonsense. | | |
| ▲ | Aeglaecia 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd argue that it is nonsense to treat symptoms instead of the cause (of an issue) , but actually doing just that is quite intellectual when a bunch of money stands to be made | | |
| ▲ | UniverseHacker 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is nonsense, it makes perfect sense to treat symptoms when it works and lessens those symptoms. Most of medicine works that way- our understanding of biology is primitive, and we often cannot identify or treat underlining causes. | |
| ▲ | alterom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >I'd argue that it is nonsense to treat symptoms instead of the cause (of an issue) , but actually doing just that is quite intellectual when a bunch of money stands to be made What specifically are you talking about here? It appears to me that your comment is an expression of vibe with zero information content. There's no dichotomy between treating symptoms and cause even when the cause is treatable (which isn't the case with ADHD; it's a neurotype, with differences showing on brain scan levels) — and that's setting aside the discussion of whether it's something we need to "treat" in the first place. We still have painkillers for people who need them while they are getting treatment. We still have meds for runny noses, we still have Tylenol for fever, even though these are merely symptoms. We still have pills for allergies. And on that note: the symptoms (such as fever and allergic reactions) can and do kill people. Please reconsider your comment. |
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