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breppp 8 hours ago

That would work but it is a very risky technique. For the mere mortal in your example this means possible jail time just to get some site closed down.

For law enforcement personnel, at the very least would mean an end of a career if caught (also possible jail time)

UniverseHacker 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The current federal government in the USA actively encourages federal agents to use illegal and unethical methods, and promised them protection and immunity.

carlosjobim 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The current federal government of France? Of the EU? The article is not about the USA.

user_7832 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The FBI is the primary party appearing to be in this investigation, and to the best of my knowledge are both of the US (govt), and are federal. (I'm not a US person so please correct me if I'm wrong.)

hulitu 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The current federal government of France? Of the EU? The article is not about the USA.

Are you sure ? They say in the article that they were not able to fing out who sent the email. Site was behind Cloudfare (so US).

HumanOstrich 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Does Cloudflare only allow US customers?

UniverseHacker 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This article is specifically an article about an investigation by the FBI- US federal agents.

shkkmo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The article mentions the FBI investigation but is not about that. This article is about a pressure campaign, the letter Web Abuse Association Defense sent to adguard making threats under french law and adguard's investigation in response to that letter.

vintermann 3 hours ago | parent [-]

A French organization with an English name, writing in English? J'en doute.

immibis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Very many European citizens speak English and it's the lingua franca* of the Internet.

phyzome 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Law enforcement has already done such things and I've never heard of consequences for it.

codedokode 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You could use something that is legal in one country, and illegal in another country, for example, an anime-style drawing of a young girl, or a textual description.

mchanson 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You are naive about cops, at least in the US, and what they will or will not do and what consequence they may or may not face.

Zigurd 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Indeed, if you're paying attention to local news in Massachusetts, you might be shocked, or not, that cops from Canton, Boston, and the Massachusetts state police, and the county District Attorney, and judges, are all complicit in railroading a woman who was dating a cop who was likely killed by another cop. The web of deceit is so thick, it can't have been just for this one case. It must be long-standing and pervasive and there must be many victims. It's also unlikely that Massachusetts is the worst place in the US in this respect.

clort 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Can you provide link at least? I am not sure what railroading a person involves..

math-ias 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are referring to how there’s a belief in some parts of Massachusetts that the police are trying to frame Karen Reid for the death of John O Keefe (0). At its climax it was all over the news, it was discussed at a lot of water coolers, and there were even billboards bought by the highway to show support and draw attention to the court case.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_O%27Keefe

tolerance 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The amount of evidence described in the Wikipedia entry that relies on mobile data is both fascinating and jarring; step counts, battery temperature, automobile software, Ring cameras...wow.

DrewADesign 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Railroading is essentially coercing/bullying someone into a situation or doing something with a connotation of things being taken too far, very quickly, using overwhelming force… like a train.

The case they’re referring to is the Karen Read case. The whole for/against thing has become quite political and sensationalized, especially after the involvement of a popular local online right-wing commentator named Turtle Boy (because Turtle Middle-Aged-Man didn’t have the same ring to it.) Another Canton policeman seemingly murdered a young woman who’d refused to get an abortion. He’d been sleeping with her for a few years after she started some sort of internship/cadet program with the police department as a high school student. Canton is a sleepy, medium-sized suburb, btw.

The corruption in the Massachusetts State Police is cartoonishly prevalent. There are too many major recent (and past) scandals to even choose one. They see themselves as a pseudo-military organization and are famous for their arrogant, officious, and rude manners, violence, aggression, corruption, and cover-ups. I got stopped at some sort of checkpoint in rural Georgia at 2am on a 2 lane country highway 50 miles from anything and was astonished by how professionally those bored cops acted. Completely different than my experiences with state police back home. Who knows: maybe the Georgia cops would have been way worse if I wasn’t white while there MSP might be more egalitarian in their ghoulishness?

I’ve had far more interaction with urban police in MA, both as a punk-ass teenager and in professional dealings, and the experience has been fine for the most part. Staties and cops in the suburbs? Yeesh.

phyzome 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're referring to the Karen Read case.

breppp 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail" or "Cop work computer was found filled with child porn"

Anything linked to pedophilia in the US and elsewhere is without remorse, and will continue that way due to parental fears.

matheusmoreira 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Seizing control of criminal websites is literally standard procedure. Three letter agencies are known for hacking their way into criminal platforms and keeping them running for as long as possible. They justify it as an opportunity to catch high value targets. They're quite willing to literally distribute CSAM from their own servers for months, years on end if that's what it takes. They don't just react either, they are very proactive. They start their own CSAM communuties to entrap criminals. So called honeypots.

It's a recurring theme with these authorities. You see, they're special. They get to spread this sort of material with complete impunity. They get to stockpile cyberweapons and use them against the targets of their investigations, or even indiscriminately. If you do it, you're a hacker spreading malware. They're just doing their jobs.

Sometimes those two privileges collide, resulting in truly comical and absurd situations. FBI has allowed cases against child molesters to go down the drain because the judge ordered them to reveal some Firefox exploit they used. They didn't want to invalidate their "network investigative techniques".

AstralStorm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's even more legally funny than this. They are also allowed to enact entrapment to some degree and it passed court muster in the US. That because it's extremely hard to use it as a defence.

Note that these actions are illegal in most continental jurisdictions as stings must be devised ahead of time against specific groups of people. There's also Article 6 of ECHR.

In other words, FBI cannot run a sting off an EU site like this, at least definitely not a German one.

wholinator2 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am imagining the consequences of that headline and there are none. If you disagree maybe you should imagine some of the real headlines that have occurred lately and check your imagination against reality. Federal agents are actively encouraged to violate your civil and constitutional rights. Those consequences live only in your imagination

hobs 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How about "The President was close friends with a known child sexual predator and his entire government spends a significant amount of time covering up their connections because it seems fairly obvious the president fucked teenagers and then fomented a coup and put literal criminals and felons in his cabinet so no one would hold him accountable while destroying the nation's economy and starting wars nobody can even understand"

breppp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And that and other pedophile linked conspiracy theories (pizzagate) had huge ramifications in these elections

hobs 5 hours ago | parent [-]

pizzagate = not real, what I just said is not a conspiracy theory.

breppp 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The jeffery epstein case is real, however the narrative created is similar to pizzagate

"world elite is practicing a child sex ring", this is why it's so compatible with the current vogue bipartisan populism which generally says "your life sucks because of the rich/elites"

jeffery epstein was in reality associated with many politicians, including trump and clinton, as far as I can tell on both sides there is a lot of extrapolation as to what really happened

latentsea 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "world elite is practicing a child sex ring"

On pure numbers alone, this is practically guaranteed to be the case for a portion of the world elite, since statistically speaking at least 1% ~ 2% of them will be pedophiles. Same as any community, anywhere. The average child sex ring is probably made up of individuals about as wealthy and sophisticated as your dad, uncle, neighbour, boss or your friends, and if even they can pull it off then surely the global elite can.

lostlogin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

With Epstein the is plenty that did happen that remains unaddressed and is completely factual. Eg The-Man-Formerly-Know-As-Prince-Andrew. He is a child rapist.

Quite why the now dead queen supported him so much (presumably including the payouts) is baffling.

immibis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They released a bunch of emails this week. We can stop tiptoeing saying that "The president was connected to Epstein, a notorious sexual predator" - with the evidence from the emails we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls"

gruez 5 hours ago | parent [-]

>with the evidence from the emails we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls"

A bunch of vaguely worded emails is enough to summarily conclude that someone is a criminal? I'm glad you're not a judge.

lostlogin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The convicted criminal hasn’t been convicted of that particular crime yet. Innocent until proven guilty again.

hobs 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And pictures and letters and cohabitation and friendship and mutual business arrangements and the list goes on. The court of public opinion is not an actual court.

gruez 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>And pictures and letters and cohabitation and friendship and mutual business arrangements and the list goes on

At best that proves he's affiliated/associated with a convicted pedophile. Going from that to "we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls" is a massive leap. There's plenty of other famous people who turned out to be sexual offenders, but we don't go around accusing their entire circle of being "pedophile who liked to rape little girls".

>The court of public opinion is not an actual court.

Good. The court of public opinion has shown itself to be massively partisan. People's evidentiary standards change on a whim depending on how much they previously like/hate the person. By invoking the "court of public opinion" excuse, you're basically admitting that there's weak evidence for the allegations, so you need a lower bar to "convict" someone.

e2le 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

At the very least it demonstrates that he has lied about his connection to Epstein and that Maxwell is also similarly lying.

user982 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I don't think I am naive, just imagine the repercussions of the headline "FBI collected thousands of child rape photos for blackmail"

What were the repercussions of this: "FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images" (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/21/fbi-ran-websi...)

fentanyl_peyotl an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think there’s a difference between leaving a CP site up for two weeks so you can track the users, versus actively posting CP on legal websites for the purpose of blackmailing third parties into blocking them (“The Bardfinn Method”).

breppp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"The Justice Department said in court filings that agents did not post any child pornography to the site themselves"

"The FBI kept Playpen online for 13 days"

"There was no other way we could identify as many players"

I think the normal person would think this is worth while to catch more pedophiles, hence why this would work politically. However, you can read by the tone of the article that even this drew a lot of rage.

Imagine the FBI agents collecting CSAM, uploading it to websites for the purpose of... preventing copyright infringement

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