How about "The President was close friends with a known child sexual predator and his entire government spends a significant amount of time covering up their connections because it seems fairly obvious the president fucked teenagers and then fomented a coup and put literal criminals and felons in his cabinet so no one would hold him accountable while destroying the nation's economy and starting wars nobody can even understand"

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breppp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And that and other pedophile linked conspiracy theories (pizzagate) had huge ramifications in these elections

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hobs 5 hours ago | parent [-]

pizzagate = not real, what I just said is not a conspiracy theory.

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breppp 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The jeffery epstein case is real, however the narrative created is similar to pizzagate

"world elite is practicing a child sex ring", this is why it's so compatible with the current vogue bipartisan populism which generally says "your life sucks because of the rich/elites"

jeffery epstein was in reality associated with many politicians, including trump and clinton, as far as I can tell on both sides there is a lot of extrapolation as to what really happened

	▲	latentsea 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> "world elite is practicing a child sex ring" On pure numbers alone, this is practically guaranteed to be the case for a portion of the world elite, since statistically speaking at least 1% ~ 2% of them will be pedophiles. Same as any community, anywhere. The average child sex ring is probably made up of individuals about as wealthy and sophisticated as your dad, uncle, neighbour, boss or your friends, and if even they can pull it off then surely the global elite can.
	▲	lostlogin 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		With Epstein the is plenty that did happen that remains unaddressed and is completely factual. Eg The-Man-Formerly-Know-As-Prince-Andrew. He is a child rapist. Quite why the now dead queen supported him so much (presumably including the payouts) is baffling.

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immibis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They released a bunch of emails this week. We can stop tiptoeing saying that "The president was connected to Epstein, a notorious sexual predator" - with the evidence from the emails we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls"

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gruez 5 hours ago | parent [-]

>with the evidence from the emails we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls"

A bunch of vaguely worded emails is enough to summarily conclude that someone is a criminal? I'm glad you're not a judge.

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lostlogin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The convicted criminal hasn’t been convicted of that particular crime yet. Innocent until proven guilty again.

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hobs 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And pictures and letters and cohabitation and friendship and mutual business arrangements and the list goes on. The court of public opinion is not an actual court.

	▲	gruez 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>And pictures and letters and cohabitation and friendship and mutual business arrangements and the list goes on At best that proves he's affiliated/associated with a convicted pedophile. Going from that to "we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls" is a massive leap. There's plenty of other famous people who turned out to be sexual offenders, but we don't go around accusing their entire circle of being "pedophile who liked to rape little girls". >The court of public opinion is not an actual court. Good. The court of public opinion has shown itself to be massively partisan. People's evidentiary standards change on a whim depending on how much they previously like/hate the person. By invoking the "court of public opinion" excuse, you're basically admitting that there's weak evidence for the allegations, so you need a lower bar to "convict" someone.

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e2le 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

At the very least it demonstrates that he has lied about his connection to Epstein and that Maxwell is also similarly lying.