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sheepscreek 9 hours ago

Wow. My mind is truly blown.

For anyone else wondering, I learned that in order to naturally create bacteria that aren’t going to be labelled GMO, you can blast regular bacteria with UV, then look for the ones with the same mutations as the engineered ones (with desirable traits), and now you can legally use the “natural” bacteria in Non-GMO labelled products.

Putting my personal views (from a consumption pov) on this topic aside, that is some clever “engineering”.

crdrost 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are a bunch of tricks like this. So for instance to make antibiotic-free chicken without a commitment to being antibiotic-free and organic, raise a bunch of chickens, take any who gets sick enough to need antibiotics and put them into a separate field with their antibiotics, sell the ones that happen to not get sick as antibiotic-free, sell the other ones as usual.

Or, if you're making orange juice, make the ingredients label say oranges. But you can split it up, take the peels, put them into a hydraulic press, extract out oils that have the concentrated aroma and flavor of oranges, homogenize some of that into the juice. Or you can centrifuge the juice, or you can pass it through osmotic filters to remove some of the water and concentrate the flavor. No rule saying you can't treat some of the juice similar to sugar beet juice and try to isolate its sugars. At the end, you reassemble a perfect consistent mixture. The label doesn't have to tell you about any of this, it just has to tell you that the ingredients were oranges.

(The recipe for the best lemonade you'll ever make is like this, it's just lemons and water and sugar, but you zest the lemons into the simple syrup you're making with the sugar water, then strain it with cheesecloth or a coffee filter, before adding to the juice and water and pulp.)

Imported oils, you can basically do anything that some middleman country allows you to do with the oil (in particular mix with cheaper oils) and then say "oh this is imported olive oil, olive oil according to someone else's standards”...

lmm 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> So for instance to make antibiotic-free chicken without a commitment to being antibiotic-free and organic, raise a bunch of chickens, take any who gets sick enough to need antibiotics and put them into a separate field with their antibiotics, sell the ones that happen to not get sick as antibiotic-free, sell the other ones as usual.

I think I'm ok with this. It means you can't routinely feed them all antibiotics, and people aren't eating chickens who had antibiotics.

teruakohatu 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In New Zealand our cow’s milk is separated into its components and then reconstituted and bottled. I would think it’s the same elsewhere too.

3eb7988a1663 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

American, never heard of this. Some quick searching, and I found an Australian dairy site which describes this as permeated milk. From this advert piece it might be a way of ensuring that the milk fat/protein ratios can be easily adjusted to hit some target numbers.

[0] https://www.dairy.com.au/you-ask-we-answer/why-is-milk-perme...

dzink 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I grew up with real cow milk from neighborhood cows and I can taste the difference. To this day I won’t buy milk that tastes reconstituted.

Qem 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> that is some clever “engineering”.

Looks like when law enforcement does the infamous parallel comstruction trick, gathering evidence through illegal means and later pretending to have just discovered what they secretely already know, but through legal means this time. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

DenisM 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

if you haven’t done that yet look into “the green revolution”. The practice of blasting things with radiation is rather old. Some of the Most used crops are the product of that process, and yet are perfectly “organic”.

akoboldfrying 6 hours ago | parent [-]

True, and the Green Revolution was amazing (and underappreciated), but I think the key point here is the concept of "deliberately throwing away what we did and recreating it another way", which to my knowledge wasn't done during the Green Revolution.