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| This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.) |
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| ▲ | tedivm a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the side of the road after being kidnapped. Just today they raided Little Village with hundreds of masked troops. I'm in a dozen signal groups to get alerted about where things are. What scares me the most is how few people seem to actually know what is happening here. I talk to people outside of Chicago, and watch the news, and I don't see or hear about anything that's going on here. I tell them what's happening and they are shocked. It is impossible to convey what is happening here, how scared we all are for this country, and how much things seem to escalate every single day that this goes on. Edit: This post has been flagged and hidden, just demonstrating how much this country wants to pretend this isn't happening. It's unflagged now, but the fact that anyone would want to hide what's happening here shows how bad things are for all of us. |
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| ▲ | SlightlyLeftPad a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The media has an existential threat of having their broadcast licenses revoked so yeah that probably has a lot to do with why there’s no coverage. If the media had balls, they’d broadcast anyway, license or not. | | | |
| ▲ | testing22321 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > This post has been flagged and hidden, just demonstrating how much this country wants to pretend this isn't happening It’s so sad to see HN taking the side of violence and oppression with their “head in the sand” approach. I wonder how different the HN overlords would feel if their own families were being torn apart. This is Disgraceful and inexcusable. The shame. The only reason this is not currently flagged to oblivion is because it’s the weekend crowd. | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | doganugurlu 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | OP mentions US citizens being detained. Commenter is wondering how other US citizens supporting such activities would feel if their family was detained similarly. Unless you’re talking about citizens of another country that are in favor of these deportations, your comment is plainly illogical. | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | > OP mentions US citizens being detained. The comment I replied to did not mention US citizens being detained. He asked: > I wonder how different the HN overlords would feel if their own families were being torn apart. The great-grandparent comment by tedivm brings this up, though tedivm uses the word "abducted" - this could technically cover an illegal detention (which it seems like there have been at least a few), but the common use of the word would imply that US citizens were getting kidnapped and physically removed to another location without release. The number of times this has happened has not been 0, but in terms of documented instances, you're not talking about a very large group of people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_... | | |
| ▲ | nobody9999 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | >The number of times this has happened has not been 0, but in terms of documented instances, you're not talking about a very large group of people. "you're not talking about a very large group of people"? Does that make it acceptable? If so, what's the upper limit on an acceptable number of citizens being disappeared? That's not a rhetorical question. | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If so, what's the upper limit on an acceptable number of citizens being disappeared? I didn’t articulate that properly. There have probably been a non-zero number of illegal detentions, and a few instances (only about a dozen that I’m aware of, most of those preceding the present administration) where citizens have been deported. The ideal number of times either of these things would happen is 0, but there’s no evidence that it’s a systemic problem that would necessitate abolishing immigration enforcement entirely. | | |
| ▲ | doganugurlu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ok. Thanks for clarifying that in your view it’s worth deporting a few citizens to a prison in another country so that we can deport folks at Home Depot parking lots etc. |
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| ▲ | UncleMeat 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | My aunt is a republican lobbyist. She is also a drunk. This means that she gets drunk and texts the family things all of the time. She wants everybody in US cities to suffer. Illegal immigrant, legal immigrant, or citizen. She thinks that people who live in places like Chicago are snooty woke idiots and that it'd be better if cops hit every single person there with a nightstick and took them away from their kids. | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This has nothing to do with my comment. | | |
| ▲ | UncleMeat 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I do not believe that republicans are motivated by animus against illegal immigrants but instead by animus against a much wider group of people. |
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| ▲ | lurk2 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | testing22321 a day ago | parent [-] | | There are plenty of legal US citizens being abducted. From TFA: US citizens, including women and children, were grabbed from their beds, marched outside without even a chance to dress, zip-tied, and loaded into vans. | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 a day ago | parent [-] | | If we assume the reporting in the linked video was accurate, you’re at most talking about unlawful detention and 4th amendment violations. No one with legal status to reside in the country was reported to have disappeared in the way you are implying. | | |
| ▲ | testing22321 a day ago | parent [-] | | You’re fine with this? Totally cool when this happens to you and your family? | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I’m not at all worried about my family being deported for the simple reason that they have legal status to reside in the places where they reside. I wouldn’t have approached it the same way, but for the sole reason that you end up with citizens being inconvenienced.
This post wasn’t about citizens having their rights infringed upon, though; it’s obvious from the editorializing that the author does not believe that America has any fundamental right to sovereignty. The author’s primary concern (and yours, I would venture) is ensuring that foreign nationals are not molested as they continue to reside and work within the United States illegally. - | | |
| ▲ | testing22321 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | You couldn’t be more wrong. That is absolutely not my primary concern. It’s not a concern at all. | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | So you believe that America has a fundamental right to enforce its immigration laws, and that enforcement of those laws is permissible provided that such enforcement occurs within whatever bounds you deem to be humane, and your only objection to these activities is their real or potential impact on the civil rights of American citizens? | | |
| ▲ | doganugurlu 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Pretty obviously. In fact, you defined a pretty good standard with the exception of the snark about what the OP deems humane - not deporting to an overcrowded prison in a 3rd country can’t be that hard to agree on. All evidenced by the fact that higher deportation numbers during Obama created no uproar. You think it’s coz Obama was handsome or smtg? | | |
| ▲ | lurk2 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Pretty obviously. You're telling me it's obvious but I still don't think that you'd agree with the statement that: "your only objection to these activities is their real or potential impact on the civil rights of American citizens." If the infrastructure was in place to ensure each of these cases was thoroughly reviewed (for example, to address refugee claimant status), would you object to the deportation of absolutely all foreign nationals illegally residing in the United States? I have a hunch that the answer is no, and even if it were yes, I don't think it's obvious from the language used in this thread that attitudes towards this issue are stemming from a Ron Paul style concern over the fate of the American Republic and its civil liberties. From the language used, it seems far more likely that these people see immigration law as basically illegitimate, and that their policy position is whatever enables the largest number of illegal residents to remain in the country. > In fact, you defined a pretty good standard with the exception of the snark about what the OP deems humane You're reading into the comment. His own standard of what he deems humane would obviously be a prerequisite for him to deem the practices acceptable. Given the inane comment you made about another one of my comments being "plainly illogical" I would request that you keep to the issues and stop tone policing. > - not deporting to an overcrowded prison in a 3rd country can’t be that hard to agree on. Evidently not. It's not the most effective policy (which would be targeting employers), but if you don't imprison repeat offenders, the incentive will always be there to try again. For as many of the sob stories you're seeing about a father of six getting deported after working diligently for 30 years as an unlicensed carpenter, there are a dozen guys getting caught at the Home Deport parking lot who will be back in the country within the year. Deportation to these people is an inconvenience, not a Greek tragedy, and the only way you could really dissuade them from it would be incarcerating them so that the penalty is some period where they know they aren't going to have any earnings. > All evidenced by the fact that higher deportation numbers during Obama created no uproar. You think it’s coz Obama was handsome or smtg? Obama's higher deportation numbers were largely the result of changes to the definition of what constituted a deportation. | | |
| ▲ | doganugurlu 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | - No problem with deportation as long as civil liberties aren’t trampled on.
- 3rd country prison “because they will be back soon” is _plainly illogical._ What’s the point of deporting if you won’t maintain a border? Are we deporting people for fun and profits? Deportation had been “sending you back home” until now. Sending people to a prison in whatever country you want is so plainly illegal and immoral. Not expecting morality anymore but would you agree with Americans being deported to Iran if they were in Palestine illegally? I am certain you would not. |
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| ▲ | lurk2 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | enraged_camel a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >> What scares me the most is how few people seem to actually know what is happening here. Submissions like this getting flagged contributes to that. I mention that because the previous submission with this article got flagged to death. | |
| ▲ | underlipton a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Visits from the ghetto birds >Facing police brutality with no accountability >Media blackout We're not beating the, "Horrible things that happen to black and indigenous Americans will eventually happen to everyone else," rap. | |
| ▲ | fluidcruft a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | RSNA is coming up later this month and generally I always attend but I'm probably just going to skip it. Just about nobody I know is going. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Understandable, but note that decisions like that are part of the adminstration's objectives. This isn't a Chicago policy; it's a federal targeting of Chicago for political reasons. | | |
| ▲ | fluidcruft a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't need to make whatever is going on between Chicago and Trump my personal problem. | | |
| ▲ | defrost a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I understand a similar rational was often used in the later days of Weimar Republic. | | |
| ▲ | fluidcruft a day ago | parent [-] | | Feel free to attend RSNA, friendo. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Looks interesting, but it's short notice to cross the globe given the state of my calender. I appreciate the invite, I did some work with mammograms way back in time, since moved on through geophysical signal processing for remote images. |
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| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Totally fair. |
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| ▲ | tedivm a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Before I moved to Chicago I used to go to RSNA for work. If I didn't live in Chicago already I wouldn't be traveling here. |
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| ▲ | lurk2 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | xdennis 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | tomhow 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Show me a case where an ICE officer has been convicted of abduction. > Or are you just saying that because you think you get to have a veto over every arrest? Please don't cross-examine on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for curious conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html |
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| ▲ | jorts a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I see your post and OPs just fine. |
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| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I live in Oak Park, just outside Chicago (and adjacent to Broadview, where the major regional ICE detention center is). We have daily ICE sitings, and approximately every-other-day ICE detentions or arrests. It's a constant presence. What it means psychologically depends. If you're someone who could visually be mistaken (perhaps in bad faith) for a Latino, it's a very big problem. ICE/DHS routinely stops people based on their visual appearance, it takes 15 minutes for them to work out that you're present legally, and throughout the whole thing you have hanging over you that they might just decide to detain you at Broadview anyways, which is a nightmare even assuming your eventual release. If you're not someone like that --- at least where I live --- you can mostly ignore what's happening, if that's what you want to do. People are basically living their lives. About the closest an ordinary white/Black family here gets to direct disruption is needing to make special arrangements with their landscaping people. |
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| ▲ | Isamu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | A big issue for people detained, even if they are citizens, is that it can take some time to be released, and when released you may not get your belongings back. That includes passport, phone, keys, cash, jewelry. The advice I am hearing is to avoid carrying around much if you are at risk. | |
| ▲ | fujigawa a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | cafard 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am an angry old not-quite suburban white male. My household employs no servants. We mow our own lawn, we rake our own leaves. I know a fair number of people who are US born and have what appears to be a Central American complexion. I imagine much of the HN readership can get by without income for the time it can take a citizen, or someone with perfectly legitimate immigration status, to establish his or her bona fides to ICE. Not everybody who is getting in can. And have you looked into the big employers, not Harriet Homeowner, but the meat packing plants, to see how carefully they examine documents? Hell, have you examined the Trump organization's record? | | |
| ▲ | fujigawa 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | > And have you looked into the big employers, not Harriet Homeowner, but the meat packing plants, to see how carefully they examine documents? The larger an employer's size, the more likely they are to do business with the federal government, which mandates the use of E-Verify. | | |
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| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | None of this has anything whatsoever to do with whether "Pedro" will be there to shovel their driveway. Nobody cares about that. We all live with 100% certainty that somebody will exchange dollars for snow shoveling. The reason you hear about landscapers right now is that ICE is directly targeting them. If you're ICE, looking to meet a detention quota from whatever quadrant Oak Park is in, the easiest way to do that is cruise down the street and stop anybody on a riding mower. | | |
| ▲ | wombatpm 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So no warrant, no probable cause beyond looking Latino. So it seems we have replaced stopping people for driving while black with stopping people for working while brown. | |
| ▲ | fujigawa a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | kasey_junk a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Your contention is that when ICE goes to the parking lot of a Home Depot and rounds up day laborers its because they had specific intelligence and an arrest warrant for one of them? | |
| ▲ | speff a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Are you claiming that the detainees - assumedly primarily illegal immigrants - are taking part in the voting process and that's why the governor is "grandstanding"? That's the story I hear from certain folks and as far as I can tell, it has no merit. I'd be interested in any actual stats here. | | |
| ▲ | convolvatron a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Michigan found approximately 12 non-citizen voters after going through their rolls. Texas claimed to have found nearly 1000, but opened 100 investigations. those kinds of numbers should make you understand why we have to give up on this whole constitution thing. | |
| ▲ | fujigawa 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | One of the more egregious stories that made national news and captured the zeitgeist of this situation was the alleged illegal immigrant that was working as a sworn police officer in suburban Chicago: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-... So given that this was allowed to happen, you want me to believe it's impossible for an illegal immigrant to cast a vote in an election? In Chicago? Where the dead people vote? https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-chicago... > In all, the analysis showed 119 dead people have voted a total of 229 times in Chicago in the last decade. | | |
| ▲ | speff 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So there aren't any stats for illegal immigrants voting then I take it. I would expect they don't check for citizenship when becoming a police officer. I do expect them to check when a voter is registered. Frankly, given the amount of hubbub about illegals voting, I would expect there to at least be a notable amount of it happening that can be pointed to. Please do not make these sorts of claims based on vibes. They have wider consequences on the amount of hate towards foreigners - illegal or not - that is completely undeserved. | | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah? What about being a sworn police officer is it that you think qualifies you to vote? Have you ever worked a shift as an EJ? Do you know how the Illinois/Cook County voting system works? | | |
| ▲ | fujigawa 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is it your contention that if someone was an illegal immigrant as alleged, and in doing so able to pass a local government background check without arousing suspicion, someone wouldn't be able to outsmart some 80 year old election judge who is volunteering her time that would otherwise be spent watching reruns of Judge Judy? The system is not as airtight as you purport it to be. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | From this I can infer your answer to "have you ever been an EJ" is no. As a starting point, citizenship is not in fact a state requirement for service as a sworn police officer. In my muni, it's explicitly not: all that's required is authorization to work. Second, it's not the job of EJs to judge whether people are citizens or not. The median EJ in Cook County, for what it's worth, is 45 years old. | | |
| ▲ | fujigawa 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you think it's impossible that there are undocumented folks living under false identities and/or stolen SSNs casting votes in elections? It's a yes or no question. To put it another way, do you believe non-citizens in this country illegally (and thus already breaking the law), have some sort of deference when it comes to obeying election laws? Thankfully we have the spry 45 year old election judges to oversee it all. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, having served as an EJ a couple times in Illinois now and understanding how the system works, I'm confident that there is no material amount of non-citizen voting happening in Cook County. |
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| ▲ | drewbug01 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > But this notion that roving bands of assassins are driving down the street looking for browns is likely an exaggeration (made worse by misinformation on social media). Assassins? Nobody said that. But my friend I can assure you they are, in fact, driving down the street and taking people who “look suspicious.” (They also are doing more targeted things - both are true.) | |
| ▲ | thelastgallon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Something like > 30% of ICE agents and > 50% of CBP officers are Latino themselves. It's incongruent with the narrative being presented. Nearly 100% of the people enslaving India were Indians, employed by British Easy India Company. Its just 3,000 british people from Great Britian with bad teeth that enslaved an entire country for ~200 years. People will do ANYTHING for a paycheck. The ethnicity of those employed means jackshit. | |
| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm engaging only with your false claim that concerns about ICE are motivated by landscaping logistics, which is risible and pointlessly inflammatory. |
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| ▲ | ocdtrekkie a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or people actually like and care about the people they transact with whether their grass gets mowed next week or not. Yeah, for some well off suburban folks, their closest impact might be someone who works for them. Doesn't mean they don't care. (And frankly, I'd rather my money goes to someone who really needs the money, not a corporate service.) |
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| ▲ | drewbug01 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In a way, the article understates how bad it is. I live in Chicago, and in my neighborhood every lamp post (and mailbox, and other surface) has a poster detailing your rights. “Fuck ICE” (and related) signs all over. Most businesses and a lot of houses in my neighborhood have signs explicitly stating that ICE is not welcome inside without a warrant. My coffee shop regularly has free whistles to take, so you can help alert others. Just a few days ago I was working at a coffee shop and got a rapid response notice that ICE was about a block from me. I got a few more that day, all within a few blocks of my house. It is incredibly stressful. I married people, have kids who are not white - they are a target. I pray every day that the next daycare raid isn’t my sons daycare, that ICE doesn’t stop my husband as he goes to work, that my mother-in-law doesn’t get snatched off the street when she walks to Target. It’s bad. |
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| ▲ | AstroBen a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm an immigrant in Chicago (fortunately not one of the racial groups they're targeting) and I follow it pretty closely - yeah it's all really happening. I saw kids get taken away in front of where I live and others just a few streets down The abuse of power there is ridiculous |
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| ▲ | abuehrle a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In the northern suburbs of Chicago, we often hear helicopters circling. A gardener was taken on my block. The home owner told the masked agent he didn't have permission to be on his property, and the agent pointed a gun at him. If you suspect anything is exaggerated, you can look to dozens of videos posted online of how these people act and speak. They roll in caravans of unmarked SUVs. Last week they rolled up to an elementary school (https://www.reddit.com/user/rubinass3/comments/1ol319f/ice_d...). [Here](https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1986936912134000877) is a particularly hard to watch video of ICE tackling a nonverbal man. Things feel bad to me in a way (I suppose I'm fortunate to be able to say) they haven't until now. I normally can see the "other side" of issues but I can't fathom how this is what anybody wants. I'm angry and I'm sad. If there's a silver lining, the community is fired up. The mayor of Evanston talked with an awesome woman who was detained while peacefully protesting (https://danielbiss.substack.com/p/daniel-biss-talks-with-det...). It's a weird and sad time. |
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| ▲ | kasey_junk a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My kids school has started doing drills with the students in what to do when ice shows up. Like they do for tornadoes. They need to because ICE is using schools as raid locations every day. |
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| ▲ | wombatpm a day ago | parent [-] | | The children might be citizens, but ICE seizes them so that the immigrant parents have to show up and claim them. Chicago schools are reporting lower attendance as a result. We just had a case where a daycare provider was hauled out despite having her papers in order-she was subsequently released. Priests being shot in the head with pepper balls, intentional accidents being caused by agents. And when they do something so egregious that they might face charges, they runaway to other states with vehicles and evidence. I look forward to everyone in these organizations facing accountability. And not just the thugs on the street but the leaders first all the way to the top. Under the auspices of civil disobedience I refer people to Beverly Hills Cop and the bananas scene. Also, Bass Pro Shops sell liquid skunk smell. It would be a shame if it were to end up in vehicles or on the outside air vents of cars. No damage, just annoying. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake a day ago | parent [-] | | > I look forward to everyone in these organizations facing accountability. And not just the thugs on the street but the leaders first all the way to the top. Unfortunately, the chances of this happening are minuscule, even if the executive branch ever changes hands in the future. The other party is too moderate, and doesn't have the backbone or courage to see it through, nor the patience and attention to detail to get them all. They'll be tied up in subpoenas, testimonies in front of Congress, hearings, hearings about hearings... Meanwhile, the people (both in leadership and boots on the ground) who are doing this today will slink back to normal life. The ringleaders will slide into comfy roles in think tanks, corporate boards, and lobbying groups. The hired thugs will go back to working as mall security and bouncers, hoping nobody remembers the time they cosplayed as Bond villain footsoldiers. |
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| ▲ | bckmn 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's all really happening. Pretty much every meeting with friends touches on what their recent sightings or stories of ICE terror have been. Everyone who hasn't seen it first hand has a second hand story. Absolutely everyone I talk to is against ICE's actions and that is the thing giving me hope that it will be defeated by the citizenry. |
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| ▲ | Freedumbs 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Have you been ignoring the reports? This is a small slice of the carnage the government has unleashed. They've detained at least 170 US citizens so far for hours or days, shot numerous US citizens, killed US citizens, killed tens of people in detention, the detention center conditions are torture so people intentionally self deport, the people who are deported disappear, are never heard from again ............... |
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| ▲ | tr4ce a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is really bad. A glimmer of hope is a governor with a spine. https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/... |
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| ▲ | tedivm a day ago | parent [-] | | I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress like Kat Abughazaleh being indicted for protesting, and then Pritzker is giving speeches and going on podcasts while not even stopping his own thugs from helping ICE. He doesn't have a spine, he has an election strategy. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Right now, I agree pretty strongly with this. In particular: Pritzker is the command in chief of the Illinois State Police. But the ISP is very conservative and fairly MAGA, and ISP has staffed protests pretty aggressively. Pritzker has in theory the ability to reorient ISP away from policing protesters and towards protecting them from DHS, and he has pointedly not done so. Even if he's just OK, doing a replacement-level competent job of being a governor dealing with a problem he himself did not have a hand in creating, this is his opportunity to demonstrate leadership during a crisis, and he's flubbing it. He's asking (we assume) for the highest job in the land, so he doesn't get to ask to be graded on a curve this time. (Not a fan of Kat Abu, though). | | |
| ▲ | UncleMeat 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The fact that everybody has just become okay with the fact that police forces are actively far right agitators is outrageous. If cops are desperate to smash skulls because they hate brown people then we need to completely dismantle and rebuild all of the police forces from scratch because it is impossible for them to be anything but violence machines. We have violent hate gangs staffed with military equipment, with the authority to kill, and with minimal care for the actual law. | |
| ▲ | digdugdirk a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Curious about the random Kat Abu comment at the end there? I know nothing about her background, but it certainly seems like she's using her campaign to actively help her local community directly and immediately. And in times like these, we could certainly use more political candidates who are willing to be tossed around by DHS. What negatives am I unaware of? | | |
| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent [-] | | She doesn't represent the district. She picked it off a map, while living in (I think?) DC, hoping to replicate what AOC had done in New York --- knocking off a geriatric institutional Dem in a safe blue district. What really got me was that she moved to Chicago to run for CD9, and didn't even move to the district --- she moved to the Gold Coast (IIRC?), far outside CD9 (which is Rogers Park, Evanston, and the near north suburbs). There's a word for this (carpetbagging). Then more broadly there's the question of what a Representative is for. Is it "designated protester for the district"? If so, she's the leading contender. It's my belief that "most effective on-site protester" is not in fact the job of a congressional representative. It'd be one thing if the choice was between Kat Abu and a staid machine Democrat. But CD9 is naturally progressive, and she's up against Daniel Biss, a progressive with a real track record of getting things done (and unquestioned ties to the district). What I think she's really going to do, best case, is split the progressive vote. | | |
| ▲ | input_sh a day ago | parent | next [-] | | No, she moved there some months after her boyfriend Ben Collins became the CEO of The Onion, which is headquartered in Chicago. This is very easy to verify, they're not secretive about their relationship. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't care. She had never once lived in the district before declaring her candidacy for it, and only somewhat recently moved into the district --- after starting her campaign for it. I don't care who her partner is. Think about the message that campaign sends: nobody, in one of the most progressive districts in the country, is as qualified to faithfully represent its progressive ideals as Kat Abu, who has neither ever lived there nor ever held elective office. To me, that's a campaign of contempt for the district. I've seen the videos of her getting shoved at Broadview. Her immigration politics seem in line with the district. My response to that is: stand on Noyes and Sheridan and throw a rock. You'll hit someone who has identical immigration politics to her. IL CD9 gets to decide, not me (I'm in CD7). But I do have an opinion! |
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| ▲ | digdugdirk a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Good to know, thanks! One thing to consider though - while I would normally agree with you on the job description of a congressional rep, there are some moments in history where performative-protest-as-candidate can do more good than ill. I think we're in one of those times, and I'm glad she's able to use the congressional platform to put the executive branch's policies and actions on display. |
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| ▲ | ryandrake a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's kind of too late for quick action. You're not going to turn the attitudes of Law Enforcement on a dime. We need a decades long effort to eliminate MAGA, White Supremacy, gangs, lawlessness and thuggery from thousands of local and state police forces nationwide. These attitudes have so thoroughly infiltrated policing for so long, it's going to take deliberate restructuring of these institutions and personnel replacement to resolve. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent [-] | | That attitude sounds like a really good way to be Brandon Johnson, the least popular mayor in the United States. Pritzker can either solve the problem or he can't. It's fine if he can't. I couldn't solve it. Few could! But if he can't, he's not qualified to be President, a job that will send him harder problems than this. It's fine for him not to be President. Most people (waves at the Oval Office right now) shouldn't. |
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| ▲ | selectodude a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think the reality is far scarier - he doesn’t have nearly as much power over ISP as he should. | | |
| ▲ | inahga a day ago | parent | next [-] | | If he doesn't, he needs to be forthright about it in his speeches and podcasts. "The ISP is disobeying my direct orders." Until then, he bears responsibility for their actions. | | |
| ▲ | selectodude a day ago | parent [-] | | The NYPD all but threatened to kill Bill de Blasio's daughter when he tried to bring them to heel. I'm limiting myself to being furious at the fucking freaks terrorizing my city instead of creating new shit to get mad about. There's plenty as is. | | |
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| ▲ | wombatpm 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ISP enjoys support from the white rascisty southern part of IL as a bulwark against the Chicago Police and all of the brown people there. | |
| ▲ | tptacek a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | He does not. People working in public service law could have told you that long before Trump won the election. That's sort of not on him; it's its own political power center. But that's his problem to solve now. |
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| ▲ | xdennis 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources You're literally saying the quiet part out loud. So many people here are complaining that ICE is arresting US citizens, but you literally admit that they're interfering. And yes, it's illegal to "forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with a federal officer. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 You can do up to 1 year in prison for minor offenses, or up to 20 for using weapons and causing injuries. | | |
| ▲ | tedivm 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Don't put words in my mouth. When we say they're arresting US citizens I'm referring to the brown people they're picking up off the streets purely for being brown. The lawncare guy they picked up the other day, on film and with paperwork, wasn't protesting or interfering with anything. You're just making things up to justify this fascist take over. |
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| ▲ | segmondy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| worse, here's the chicago ICE commander performing a nazi salute to taunt people and then pretending he was playing rock paper scissors when he saw he was being recorded. https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/1os3ez6/greg_bovin... |
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| ▲ | giraffe_lady a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Every bit of it is true and there's more that he doesn't mention, probably because it's not as well documented yet. |
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| ▲ | miltonlost a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did you look at the links he posted? Have you seen the news reports he linked to? This is all actually happening right now. Please, read all he linked to an watched the videos of ICE kidnapping people violently. https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/11/05/daycare-... |
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| ▲ | pizlonator 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think my question had exactly the effect I wanted: lots of folks chiming in to give color. Of course I’ll read all the links! I’ve already read a lot about this! But the first hand commentary from fellow hackers is pure gold IMO |
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| ▲ | ocdtrekkie a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I live in the Chicago area and can confirm. Landscapers are afraid to work because they keep getting abducted off people's lawns. Out in the suburbs, a roofing crew was abducted mid-roof replacement, ICE left a hole in someone's house trying to abduct people working for a living. |
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| ▲ | turnsout a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not an exaggeration. People have been kidnapped by these armed masked idiots within two blocks of my house twice, and those are just the closest cases I know about. Go check out the /r/Illinois subreddit [0] to see what's happening. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/ |
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| ▲ | turnsout a day ago | parent [-] | | And of course now the parent post is "flagged." Thank you, Libertarian overlords, from protecting the tech community from this dangerous content. | | |
| ▲ | tedivm a day ago | parent | next [-] | | They unflagged it, but the pause in upvotes means it dropped off the front page and out of people's minds. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake a day ago | parent [-] | | Mission accomplished for the flaggers. I don't know why HN can't/won't fix this obvious abuse mechanism. | | |
| ▲ | hypeatei a day ago | parent [-] | | It's a forum run by venture capital if that tells you anything. The "tech right" were one of the reasons Trump won this past election. It describes a voter bloc consisting of Libertarian/Thiel/Musk types who are very motivated by: immigration (H1B), deregulation, increasing their wealth, and gaining more power. |
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| ▲ | SlightlyLeftPad a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I gotchu fam, I’m snapping Full page screenshots of all the commentary here. | |
| ▲ | UncleMeat 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They aren't libertarians. They are fascists. I am rapidly becoming convinced that large portions of the SV ecosystem are just anti-human as a base ideology. | |
| ▲ | vkou a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It would not be good to allow malcontents to spread disharmony. | | |
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| ▲ | queenkjuul a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not at all exaggerated. The agents are lying about anything and everything even when there's evidence. One of them threw tear gas out of the window of their SUV because they were pissed to be stuck in traffic. They'll hit and run parked cars and flee the scene. |
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| ▲ | jrexilius a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I live in Chicago and it is a BIG city. I've seen, in real life, none of this. But the online reports are legion. I think, like a lot of things, you can choose what reality you want to inhabit and find anecdata online to support any of it. During the Obama adminstration the right wing whackos came up with theories about black helicopters and UN camps and the rest. This may be _slightly_ more factual as the Orange Troll is more purposefully playing a media game, but I'd still take these reports with a grain of salt. |
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| ▲ | Judgmentality a day ago | parent [-] | | > you can choose what reality you want to inhabit Thank you for outing yourself as willfully ignorant. I also appreciate the unintended admission of privilege. |
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