| ▲ | tetris11 a day ago |
| The Wikipedia article has actual information instead of the storytelling that the BBC article is insisting on > Udolph favours the hypothesis that the Hamelin youths wound up in what is now Poland.[40] Genealogist Dick Eastman cited Udolph's research on Hamelin surnames that have shown up in Polish phonebooks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied_Piper_of_Hamelin Also, every town in Southern Germany looks like that. Hamelin is nothing special in that respect |
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| ▲ | IAmBroom 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Quote from the article that you claim doesn't mention it: > In fact, Udolph found that the family names common in Hamelin at the time show up with surprising frequency in the areas of Uckermark and Prignitz, near Berlin, that he locates as the centre of the migration. Maybe try reading the whole article before condemning it, instead of just the first couple of paragraphs. |
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| ▲ | mellosouls 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Wikipedia article has actual information instead of the storytelling that the BBC article is insisting on Strange thing to note (and wrong), given they have completely different purposes and the BBC article conveys "actual information" as well just in a less clinical way. |
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| ▲ | b2ccb2 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Hameln" is in northern Germany, don't know where the I comes from in the English transliteration. There are many theories, one of them is the Children's Crusade[0], diseases, pagan sects, but yes, the leading one is the "Ostsiedlung". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung |
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| ▲ | flobosg 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Funnily enough, the district (Landkreis) name in English keeps the original spelling: Hameln-Pyrmont. | |
| ▲ | mananaysiempre 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > don't know where the i [in Hamelin] comes from in the English transliteration Could just be that it’s a very inconvenient consonant cluster (and and a speaker of modern English will to some degree turn it into a [lən] or [lɪn], however you spell it). | | | |
| ▲ | b2ccb2 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh, and my favorite theory: "Eine andere, weniger stark vertretene Theorie besagt, dass die Hamelner Kinder einem heidnischen Sektenführer aufgesessen sein könnten, der diese zu einem religiösen Ritus in die Wälder bei Coppenbrügge geführt hat, wo sie heidnische Tänze aufführten. Dabei habe es einen Bergrutsch oder Erdfall gegeben, wodurch die meisten umgekommen seien. Noch heute lässt sich dort eine große Kuhle finden, die durch ein solches Ereignis entstanden sein könnte."
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattenf%C3%A4nger_von_Hameln#H... I'll roughly translate it: "Another, less thought after theory says, the children of Hameln got seduced by a pagan cult leader. He lead the children to the forest of Coppenbrügge for a religious ritual, where they performed pagan dances. This caused an landslide, causing most of them to die. There is, to this day, still a large pit, that could have been caused by such an event." Edit: Expanded translation | | |
| ▲ | IAmBroom 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, I'm convinced! What else could have caused a pit, but pagan dancing? | | |
| ▲ | b2ccb2 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | The historical precursor of a mosh pit. | | |
| ▲ | buildsjets 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | I go to many metal and other shows a year. A 3-day outdoor festival in the woods with hundreds of tripping manchildren moshing in the rain resulted in a very muddy shallow depression, not a landslide. I have brief cameo in the video below. Want to see a hundred hippies sitting in the mud pretending to row ancient Roman galley? https://youtu.be/X-BtJBDi8OA?si=Gtzeibmuokx39KhP |
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| ▲ | flobosg 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hamelin is located in Lower Saxony, not in the southern states. |
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| ▲ | beeforpork 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | And there, many cities look like that, too. It's all about the angle. I am sure that just outside of the camera frame, there's a mobile phone shop, a Burger King or MacDonald's, and other trivially universal city commerce. :-) Let's see... https://maps.app.goo.gl/hbRSXaDvfKNFmQtT6 No, but there's Rossmann, Kik, Döner, and Woolworth's. | | |
| ▲ | flobosg 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | The point I was addressing from the parent comment was the implication that Hamelin is located in southern Germany. It could be rewritten to, as you pointed out: > Also, every town in Germany looks like that. | | |
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| ▲ | fsckboy 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| wikipedia does not come out and say "this happened" or "the folktale was (or "must be") based on a historical event". it seems to suggest that the folktale is all the history we have, and everything else is a retcon |
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| ▲ | Razengan 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Weird, I was reading the Wikipedia article about that a few days ago and thought of posting that here! That whatsit phenomenon strikes again! I wonder if there was or will be a typical modern twisty-take movie about this |
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