Someone I know is in a similar situation. She doesn't have the "naturalization documents". She has a passport, a ssn, and became a citizen before she turned 18.

Will ICE get it right? or will she be put into a prison for months with poor conditions, with an administration that does not want lawyers involved, with little ability to be found or call out for help?

This site likes to do the cowardly take of avoiding politics as long as it's advantageous. I'm going to look into these companies that produce this tech, and memorize the company names. If a resume ever passes my desk with a significant time at any of these companies, it's going to be a "no" from me. That's the small bit of power I hold.

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Muromec 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

>Will ICE get it right?

Hands on the ground don't read the laws, they only bring people before the person who actually knows them.

So no, ICE goons will do the basic thing -- check how white the person is, if not white enough, ask for documents, if documents are not convincing enough to them, snatch the person and let the more nuanced decisions to be made by those who can read.

Now if the person above them isn't agreeing with interpretation of the law that was used to issue those documents, it's sitting in the jail waiting for a judge time.

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adrr 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Administration view is that if you're not citizen, you don't get due process[1]. Even if you're a citizen, if their system says your not, you'll never get brought in front of people who know the law. Why due process only works if everyone gets it otherwise the government will say your a class that doesn't get it even if you aren't.

1)https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-trump-says-immigrants-...

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refurb 5 days ago | parent [-]

This isn’t new under Trump. But it’s entertaining watching everyone pretend it is.

Obama had similar rules around standing deportation orders and how quickly they could be executed once an alien was in custody.

If you’ve stood before a judge, argued why you should be allowed to stay and lost, you have a standing deportation order. That’s due process. Nothing has been denied.

It makes for a great talking point but is a pretty shallow analysis of what is going on or their historical relevance.

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adrr 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Trump is deporting US citizen with no due process. Lets not pretend this happened under Obama or Biden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/man-deported-to-lao...

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refurb 4 days ago | parent [-]

You realize ICE responded to this claim?

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/1983550041496117532?s=46

“This temporary restraining order was not served to ICE until AFTER the criminal illegal alien was removed….Following his heinous crimes, he lost his green card, and an immigration judge ordered him removed in 2006. 20 years later, he tried a Hail Mary attempt to remain in our country by claiming he was a U.S. citizen.”

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drewbug01 3 days ago | parent [-]

Why do you believe DHS is speaking honestly here?

Available reporting indicates that judge ruled on Thursday, and that DHS deported on Friday. Moreover, available reporting also indicates:

> DHS and ICE did not respond to questions from The Associated Press seeking additional details on the timeline and how officials receive federal court orders.

So they aren’t clarifying anything. Odd.

And don’t forget back in March, when the administration publicly asserted that oral orders from a judge carried no authority and that they would only heed written orders.

When you put those two together, one wonders: perhaps DHS is playing fast and loose with timelines again.

Why on earth would you treat anything they say as if it were truthful or reliable? They have lost the right to be treated as trustworthy by default.

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refurb 2 days ago | parent [-]

Are you suggesting a government agency is just making things up in official communications?

If that’s the case you must also assume the deportee is lying as well? Between the two it’s the deportee who has the bigger incentive to make things up.

If we’re going to go with those assumptions there is no point in even discussing it because neither of have any facts to base an argument on.

	▲	drewbug01 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Here’s a letter from a Senator, asking Kristi Noem to correct the record after it came to light in court proceedings that the DHS lied: https://www.murphy.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/murphy... Here’s an article discussing how Noem recently claimed that “no American citizens have been arrested or detained”, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary: https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/04/homeland-security-bo... Here’s an article discussing how the recent video published by DHS about their success in DC was in fact composed of footage from different cities and months old: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/10/29/tru... Here’s another article discussing some of the same incidents and others where DHS put out false statements and would not correct them: https://reason.com/2025/10/22/homeland-security-wont-stop-ly... Here’s another letter from a congresswoman demanding DHS retract false statements made about an alleged criminal, who was later proven to be framed: https://gwenmoore.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?Documen... So why should I believe anything they say these days? They are blatantly lying, in ways that are manifestly obvious to anyone that is willing to look. We don’t owe the presumption of good faith to people who time and again have been publicly caught lying - and worse, who haven’t even tried to correct the record.

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MSFT_Edging 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

While Obama, Biden, and Trump all had cruel deportation policies, the previous two didn't have 5-figure bonuses for a deportation.

Additionally, the performative method of how they're looking for deportations, its random, violent, and meant to send a message of powerlessness and fear.

The point is fear and cruelty. As was Family separation under Biden, the cruelty is accelerating.

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danaris 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Except that to all appearances, most of the time ICE isn't actually bringing them before people who actually know the law: they're throwing them in concentration camps.

Or even when they do end up before someone who knows the law, and that someone says "no, this is illegal, you have to set them free," they say "nah, we can do what we want" and put them on a plane to another country unrelated to the hapless detainee.

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kjksf 6 days ago | parent [-]

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	▲	fabian2k 6 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		They put a whole lot of children onto a plane in the middle of the night to deport them. This was only stopped because laywers got wind of it and a federal judge intervened almost immediately on the weekend. They are trying to bypass any review by being fast and creating facts that prevent US judges from any effective action as once people are outside US jurisdiction they have very little power. And immigration judges are not actual judges, they are part of the executive.
	▲	boston_clone 6 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		bit of a motte and bailey, there. you’re responding to a comment which states detainees are being sent to concentration camps, places like the deplorably named Alligator Alcatraz. i don’t think we should conflate that as deportation.

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curt15 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Will ICE get it right? or will she be put into a prison for months with poor conditions, with an administration that does not want lawyers involved, with little ability to be found or call out for help?

Better yet -- whisk her out of the country and then claim that she no longer has standing to sue.

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MSFT_Edging 6 days ago | parent [-]

Basically any "legal option", aka trying to legally fight illegal actions, requires letting people get hurt, or killed with no recourse while hoping some judge makes a decision and these people actually follow it.

You as an individual are defenseless against an incorrect and badly trained officer. This goes for local cops, federal cops, the twitter racists they brought in for ICE, etc.

Even if you oppose this with all your heart, if you're semi-intelligent you know the Admin is looking for an excuse to execute greater powers, so any kinetic action against the poorly trained, illegal actions of the state will only cause greater harm.

The worst part about this, is if we allow the slow "legal" process to take it's course, even if all this is proven illegal and thrown out, people released, etc, nothing will happen to the people who brought it on. Those who have the power to hold accountable only reached the position of power by being amenable to others in power. We likely wont have trials against the individuals picking mothers and fathers up off the street for a bonus, we wont have trials against the people who offered the bonuses either. They'll disappear and come back when the times are more kind to their sick world view of violence and cruelty.

	▲	mcmcmc 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		The fun part is the Supreme Court has steadily eroded away any avenues for recourse. ICE can harass, abuse, even kill people with zero justification and any lawsuits will be thrown out.

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pixxel 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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