Administration view is that if you're not citizen, you don't get due process[1]. Even if you're a citizen, if their system says your not, you'll never get brought in front of people who know the law. Why due process only works if everyone gets it otherwise the government will say your a class that doesn't get it even if you aren't.

1)https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-trump-says-immigrants-...

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refurb 5 days ago | parent [-]

This isn’t new under Trump. But it’s entertaining watching everyone pretend it is.

Obama had similar rules around standing deportation orders and how quickly they could be executed once an alien was in custody.

If you’ve stood before a judge, argued why you should be allowed to stay and lost, you have a standing deportation order. That’s due process. Nothing has been denied.

It makes for a great talking point but is a pretty shallow analysis of what is going on or their historical relevance.

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adrr 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Trump is deporting US citizen with no due process. Lets not pretend this happened under Obama or Biden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/man-deported-to-lao...

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refurb 4 days ago | parent [-]

You realize ICE responded to this claim?

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/1983550041496117532?s=46

“This temporary restraining order was not served to ICE until AFTER the criminal illegal alien was removed….Following his heinous crimes, he lost his green card, and an immigration judge ordered him removed in 2006. 20 years later, he tried a Hail Mary attempt to remain in our country by claiming he was a U.S. citizen.”

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drewbug01 3 days ago | parent [-]

Why do you believe DHS is speaking honestly here?

Available reporting indicates that judge ruled on Thursday, and that DHS deported on Friday. Moreover, available reporting also indicates:

> DHS and ICE did not respond to questions from The Associated Press seeking additional details on the timeline and how officials receive federal court orders.

So they aren’t clarifying anything. Odd.

And don’t forget back in March, when the administration publicly asserted that oral orders from a judge carried no authority and that they would only heed written orders.

When you put those two together, one wonders: perhaps DHS is playing fast and loose with timelines again.

Why on earth would you treat anything they say as if it were truthful or reliable? They have lost the right to be treated as trustworthy by default.

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refurb 2 days ago | parent [-]

Are you suggesting a government agency is just making things up in official communications?

If that’s the case you must also assume the deportee is lying as well? Between the two it’s the deportee who has the bigger incentive to make things up.

If we’re going to go with those assumptions there is no point in even discussing it because neither of have any facts to base an argument on.

	▲	drewbug01 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Here’s a letter from a Senator, asking Kristi Noem to correct the record after it came to light in court proceedings that the DHS lied: https://www.murphy.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/murphy... Here’s an article discussing how Noem recently claimed that “no American citizens have been arrested or detained”, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary: https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/04/homeland-security-bo... Here’s an article discussing how the recent video published by DHS about their success in DC was in fact composed of footage from different cities and months old: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/10/29/tru... Here’s another article discussing some of the same incidents and others where DHS put out false statements and would not correct them: https://reason.com/2025/10/22/homeland-security-wont-stop-ly... Here’s another letter from a congresswoman demanding DHS retract false statements made about an alleged criminal, who was later proven to be framed: https://gwenmoore.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?Documen... So why should I believe anything they say these days? They are blatantly lying, in ways that are manifestly obvious to anyone that is willing to look. We don’t owe the presumption of good faith to people who time and again have been publicly caught lying - and worse, who haven’t even tried to correct the record.

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MSFT_Edging 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

While Obama, Biden, and Trump all had cruel deportation policies, the previous two didn't have 5-figure bonuses for a deportation.

Additionally, the performative method of how they're looking for deportations, its random, violent, and meant to send a message of powerlessness and fear.

The point is fear and cruelty. As was Family separation under Biden, the cruelty is accelerating.