Remix.run Logo
DanHulton a day ago

The thing about this, though - cars have been built before. We understand what's necessary to get those 9s. I'm sure there were some new problems that had to be solved along the way, but fundamentally, "build good car" is known to be achievable, so the process of "adding 9s" there makes sense.

But this method of AI is still pretty new, and we don't know it's upper limits. It may be that there are no more 9s to add, or that any more 9s cost prohibitively more. We might be effectively stuck at 91.25626726...% forever.

Not to be a doomer, but I DO think that anyone who is significantly invested in AI really has to have a plan in case that ends up being true. We can't just keep on saying "they'll get there some day" and acting as if it's true. (I mean you can, just not without consequences.)

danielmarkbruce a day ago | parent [-]

While you are right about the broader (and sort of ill defined) chase toward 'AGI' - another way to look at it is the self driving car - they got there eventually.And, if you work on applications using LLMs you can pretty easily see that Karpathy's sentiment is likely correct. You see it because you do it. Even simple applications are shaped like this, albeit each 9 takes less time than self driving cars for a simple app.. it still feels about right.

Hendrikto a day ago | parent | next [-]

> another way to look at it is the self driving car - they got there eventually.

No they did not. Elon has been saying Tesla will get there “next year” since 2015. He is still saying that, and despite changing definitions, we still are not there.

danielmarkbruce 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They = Waymo

kristianp 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Karpathy talked about Waymo, and he said they aren't there yet. They still have humans in the loop via telemetry and there are parts of cities they won't go to.

1oooqooq 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i guess the comment you replied proves the actual point "we may never get there, but it will be enough for the market".

sigh, i guess it's time to laugh on that video compilation of elon saying "next week" for 10yrs straight and then cry seeing how much he made of doing that.

vasco a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> another way to look at it is the self driving car - they got there eventually

Current self driving cars only work in American roads. Maybe Canada too, not sure how their roads are. Come to Europe/anywhere else and every other road would be intractable. Much tighter lanes, many turns you have a little mirror to see who's coming on the other side, single car at a time lanes that you need to "understand" who goes first, mountain roads where you sometimes need to reverse for 100m when another car is coming so it's wide enough that they can pass before you can keep going forward, etc.

Many things like this that would require another 2 or 3 "nines" as the guy put it than acceptable quality in American huge roads.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4NWIt...

sashank_1509 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Waymo has promised to launch In London and Tokyo next year. New York, London, Tokyo probably covers the entire spectrum of difficulty for self driving cars, maybe we need to include Mumbai as the final boss but I would be happy saying self driving is solved if the above 3 cities have a working 24/7 self driving fleet

vasco 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

The final boss could be something like Scottland mountain roads, or some of the million beaches on a cliff in Greece where this "you have to first reverse" kinda situation happens every 30 seconds.

danielmarkbruce 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Give the Waymo guys some credit - San Francisco isn't the suburbs of Houston. It might not be quite the same as a 1000 year old city in Europe, but it's no snack either.