But not with Israel, though. US has been an ardent ally of Israel, up to the point of joining the bombing of Iran and providing a significant amount of THAAD and SM-3, plus a lot more.

BTW back to the original point. The reason of my suspect is:

- The whole area has heavy US military existence

- UK is doing some military exercise in the same area

I can't imagine Israel just bomb Qatar without messaging these two. The twist is, they messaged to someone, but did not necessarily message the whole US/UK government, and that someone might as well keep the information for himself anyway.

That surprises me, I thought all NATO planes were interoperable. Israel isn't part of NATO but their systems are mostly sold by NATO countries. US jets can't use UK tankers?

They are incompatible. He is lying or not smart enough to filter out propaganda.

But what's worse? Having a worse relationship with Qatar or going out of your way to look like you have an incompetent Military?

Houthis use long range drones and cruise missiles which can easily be fired from the West over the Red Sea. There is no plausible situation where they simply don't point the radars that way.

There is also SBIRS and radars across Saudi Arabia. By far the likeliest scenario is that the US detected the attack and made the choice not to defend Qatar.

>air defense systems aren't tuned

"Oh no, our whole city was destroyed and we couldn't do anything because they changed the tuning on their missiles a day before."

Mega LMAO, the things one reads these days.

It’s been a decade and this is their second admin. This “new to the job” line wore out years ago, though if you’re going to be president I just don’t think that’s a suitable excuse to begin with. His entire pitch has always been “Me and my folks are the best for the job, everyone else is incompetent and corrupt.” The promise he made has turned out to be quite the disappointment. Hell how can anyone learn when his admin is such a revolving door and they vilify career civil servants?

Here’s an idea: maybe don’t bring on Fox News pundits, podcasters, and anti-vaxxers to run your admin. Maybe don’t let the ketamine-fueled, unpredictable billionaire run around indiscriminately cutting federal programs in a legally dubious (at best) fashion. It’s not like these people were thrusted on him.

As for your china example: I’d rather not go through periods of completely manufactured starvation and death. Maybe it’s naive of me to think there’s a better path forward here.

People who think the only way forward is to break everything strike me as the kind of people who don’t understand how bad things can get when everything is broken.

> The Arab petrostates and their citizens regularly support all kinds of Sunni terrorist organizations.

The US supports all kinds of Sunni terrorist organizations.

> During the Syrian Civil War, it was a common knowledge that certain islamist groups were funded by certain states, and the states were competing with each other in this regard on the battlefield.

This is the US again. Not only that, but proud of it. We put Jalani in a suit and have Petreus give him a Barbara Walters style celebrity interview. The US poured more money into using Al Quaeda to topple the secular regime and turn it into an Islamic state than anyone else. If you believe Hillary Clinton's leaked email, we've been funding them since at least 2012.

You were in such a haste to reply that you didn't address any point I raised.

>The Arab petrostates and their citizens regularly support all kinds of Sunni terrorist organizations. During the Syrian Civil War, it was a common knowledge that certain islamist groups were funded by certain states, and the states were competing with each other in this regard on the battlefield.

With America's implicit consent, at least. The Washington consensus on Syria was that Assad had to go, even if it was extreme Islamist that did the work on the ground. State Dept. openly admitted in emails that al-Qaeda in Syria was an asset since they were fighting & weakening Assad's regime. And it worked! HTS, Julani's faction that ousted Assad & runs Syria today was an al-Qaeda-aligned group. They gained territory & moderated & everyone realizes letting them run the country is better.

>I would also argue that the regimes in these countries are not considered particularly stable and they don't want to end up with Iran situation again.

So, your way of dealing with these countries is to weaken their legitimacy by showing them up as spineless cowards that can't stand up to Israel, despite their sucking up to America?

And despite the Western fictions, most countries of the Arab Gulf are extremely stable. The population is small enough to be controlled. Citizens are heavily subsidized. Power is apportioned/maintained through tribal allegiances that have lasted longer than many Western countries, in some cases. They're going nowhere.

You were in such a haste to share our opinion that you didn't address any point I made.

If you want to weaken Iran, you need to empower the Arab states since the Sunni-Shia split is one of their points of contention. Instead, America lets Israel bomb them and proves Iran's point that America & Israel are unreliable allies at best, or enemies of Muslims at worst.

I agree, it’s also in line with what’s happening in USA, Russia, Turkey, and some other places. They turn out not to be immune to fascism despite suffering from it greatly just a few generations ago.

NATO did back Turkey, I don't know why its widespread narrative in Turkey but NATO provided both political support and air defence support. You can check the news from that time.

Do you think that Russia didn't do anything to Turkey because they were afraid of Turkey? Turkey is a powerful country with strong and high quality military but no one is going to defeat Russia without a logistical and military support to match theirs. Ukraine is doing amazing but its thanks to the NATO.

>they didn't back Turkey after a Russian fighter jet violated Turkish airspace

Did Turkey ask NATO for help?

Saudi Arabia FARA spending: $312,465,701 Qatar FARA spending: $257,773,194 Israel FARA spending: $194,935,041

https://www.opensecrets.org/fara

The "Israel lobby" is basically a hoax. US is pro Israel because its citizens are, much like the second amendment regardless of what you read on the internet

There always have been questions on over representation in every single influential position, which was explained by the Ashkenazi Jews who developed reputation to be statistically gifted or the culture that was shaped to seek such professions and positions due to prosecution.

But the straight up committing genocide, then US supporting that despite losing all kind of public support and the support of the allies and then Israel attacking the US allies without consequence to them is what will bring thing together and will make antisemitism mainstream and popular.

Kicking people out, limiting accounts, cutting off finance and services, cancelling people, smearing people won't cut it because this thing is brewing into a perfect storm. Anyone who cares about the Jewish people should make it stop and then make it right. Or maybe this by design to "convince" Jewish minority to move to Israel so that the Israeli political class becomes more powerful?