There are claims that Israel considered hitting Turkey but backed off and went ahead with Qatar as they feared the destruction of NATO(US would have been obligated to support Turkey but considering the thing? between Israel & USA, the actual US response could have totally destroyed the alliance) which could lead to unconfined wider consequences to Israel.

I have a prediction: Antisemitic conspiracy theories are in the pipeline to get mass popular appeal and the wider Jewish communities will suffer greatly of this. It honestly disturbs me deeply because some of the nicest and smartest people I ever met are Jewish and I developed respect and admiration towards their culture. Which puzzles me seeing what's happening in Palestine. Are they captured by cabal or something?

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ben_w 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Are they captured by cabal or something?

Nah, just local minima/maxima.

Bunch of politicians with different interests, bunch of different polities within and outside Israel with varying agendas, some pro-Israel, some anti-Israel, some merely aligned with Israel for now but don't really care, and the same goes for Palestine.

That plus patriots in every nation close their eyes and cover their ears about crimes by their nation, or make excuses when this is no longer possible.

That's all just boring mundane human nature.

Best I can do is try to stop people hating each other, but that's gonna be tough — and not just for any surviving Palestinians, as the October attack a few years back was proportionally worse for Israel than 9/11 was for the US, and look how long it took Americans to collectively get over that.

	▲	mrtksn 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I agree, it’s also in line with what’s happening in USA, Russia, Turkey, and some other places. They turn out not to be immune to fascism despite suffering from it greatly just a few generations ago.

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kamikazeturtles 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

NATO lost its credibility when they didn't back Turkey after a Russian fighter jet violated Turkish airspace and was subsequently shot down.

Or when they pulled out of Afghanistan and the world saw 20 years of occupation unravel within a couple weeks.

Or when they went ahead and destroyed multiple countries without much thought.

At this point, NATO is just a bully with a big stick, whacking people then scurrying back across the pond. As well as a marketplace to force allies to buy and get locked in to the American arms industry.

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mrtksn 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

NATO did back Turkey, I don't know why its widespread narrative in Turkey but NATO provided both political support and air defence support. You can check the news from that time.

Do you think that Russia didn't do anything to Turkey because they were afraid of Turkey? Turkey is a powerful country with strong and high quality military but no one is going to defeat Russia without a logistical and military support to match theirs. Ukraine is doing amazing but its thanks to the NATO.

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hollerith 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>they didn't back Turkey after a Russian fighter jet violated Turkish airspace

Did Turkey ask NATO for help?

	▲	mrtksn 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Turkey asked, help was delivered. You can tell by Russia doing nothing afterwards.

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beepbooptheory 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This kind of internal conflict is precisely what Israel/AIPAC is aiming for, but its illusory. Israel, the zionist project, is not intrinsic to Judaism or Jewish culture. You don't actually need to reconcile anything with these terms, just distinguish them properly in your head.

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throwaw12 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If not blackmail and subsequently lobby group activities, which should have been registered under FARA act already, what keeps US officials attached so much to Israel?

Do they invest so much? Do they help Americans so much? What's there I don't know?

US is giving all possible excuses, just to whitewash Israel's crimes. By now we have seen attacks on:

* Iran

* Qatar

* Lebanon

* Syria

* obviously genocide in Gaza (according to UN, genocide scholars, Amnesty international and many others)

	▲	FergusArgyll 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Saudi Arabia FARA spending: $312,465,701 Qatar FARA spending: $257,773,194 Israel FARA spending: $194,935,041 https://www.opensecrets.org/fara The "Israel lobby" is basically a hoax. US is pro Israel because its citizens are, much like the second amendment regardless of what you read on the internet
	▲	mrtksn 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		There always have been questions on over representation in every single influential position, which was explained by the Ashkenazi Jews who developed reputation to be statistically gifted or the culture that was shaped to seek such professions and positions due to prosecution. But the straight up committing genocide, then US supporting that despite losing all kind of public support and the support of the allies and then Israel attacking the US allies without consequence to them is what will bring thing together and will make antisemitism mainstream and popular. Kicking people out, limiting accounts, cutting off finance and services, cancelling people, smearing people won't cut it because this thing is brewing into a perfect storm. Anyone who cares about the Jewish people should make it stop and then make it right. Or maybe this by design to "convince" Jewish minority to move to Israel so that the Israeli political class becomes more powerful?