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| ▲ | willi59549879 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Controversial by saying he doesn't want politics in software. For me that is a good thing. | | |
| ▲ | fhd2 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Dunno if that's possible. To stick with the example, you can either go for gender neutral language or reject it. There is no "I'll stay out of it and do neither". Your only options are one or the other. So feels like a bit of a cop out. For the decision itself, I don't see how he should be put in some extreme political camp for that. I think that's probably hard to understand for anyone outside the US / culture wars bubble. | | |
| ▲ | detaro 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is the very obvious middle ground of "I won't make an effort for it but accept if others do", but somehow the people scared of "gender police" are always the ones that want strict rules saying that nobody is allowed to use it. Same way nobody asked him to plaster pride flags over his project, but he went to the step of telling a contributor to please remove a flag from their avatar because showing that avatar in his project would be "political". | | |
| ▲ | fhd2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I suppose there's no way to not make a _decision_ though, is there? If, to stay with that example, he says "You know what, anyone can make a PR to gender any way they like", that sounds like a blood bath. Reasonable responses I can think of are: 1. No we will not use gender neutral language here, it's a policy. 2. I think it's a good idea, but I don't have the bandwidth to make ground rules for that right now, so for the time being it will stay as it is. 3. Good idea, I'll set up some policy on that and if you have time to change things, help is appreciated. > Same way nobody asked him to plaster pride flags over his project, but he went to the step of telling a contributor to please remove a flag from their avatar because showing that avatar in his project would be "political". If that part is true, that's pretty wild. If he _did_ ask someone else to remove symbols from their personal avatar, that sounds as political as it gets to me... But from some quick research, I couldn't find anything about such a thing happening. | |
| ▲ | darkwater 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > There is the very obvious middle ground of "I won't make an effort for it but accept if others do" And how does that work, exactly? If you get a PR to modify all the docs/code to be gender neutral you accept it? And what if in the same PR someone else vehemently opposes to the change? Or what if 2 days after the PR was merged you get a revert PR by someone else? The thing is that you cannot just ignore "politics", politics are an integral part of our lives. Completely ignoring politics means accepting the status quo, so it's by definition a conservative position. |
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| ▲ | lenkite 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care. | | |
| ▲ | johnisgood 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I remember the times, too, when the person behind the code did not matter. The code did. | | |
| ▲ | andriesm 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I had to google the controversy, found one dedicated blog site page about it, read it thoroughly and think it is insane to call this dude controversial based on what I read on
https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity... I'm tired of people who are doing such great work being labeled politically over things like pronoun preferences and somehow this is supposed to make us wish for the projects failure OR the founder's expulsion from his own project. (oh dear I forgot to imagine the project lead could also be female - damn you English language!) | | |
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| ▲ | backtoyesterday an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Twenty years ago we didn't had rampaging self-centered immature people who cannot comprehend that their private life should be kept at home and they shouldn't deep-throat others with their sexual preferences or life choices. People back then focused on writing software and shit was done - sometimes fast, sometimes really slow but people were proud of what they did. Now it's personal pride over everything else, codes of conduct, deploying propaganda-driven dictionaries because some weaboo basement dweller felt offended and feels life-threats everywhere if not seeing "proper" pronouns. | |
| ▲ | Propelloni 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, it does. Otherwise we wouldn't care that really great shoes are stitched together by indentured children somewhere far away. | | |
| ▲ | lenkite 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am deeply ashamed to know that the Ladybird browser was being coded by indentured children somewhere far away. Your thoughtful and considerate "Strawman Argument" has fully enlightened me. | | |
| ▲ | Propelloni an hour ago | parent [-] | | Look, you could have said "I don't know what you mean. Explain it to me." And I would have tried and we would have had a civilised discussion why we think what we think. But you, by resorting to sarcasm, inappropriate quotational use of a term, and distorting my sentences, demonstrate that you understood what I said and what I meant. This, in turn, tells me you think it is okay to deny people liberty, equality and justice, as long as the product is swell. In fact, I think you think that's OK even if there is no product. I could argue some more, but this is the internet. So I leave it be and remind myself of the well-known saying "all evil needs to triumph is that good men do nothing." |
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| ▲ | Zardoz84 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you would like to use a software or website made by MechaHitler ? Me no. And 20 or 30 years some people used to care about that stuff. The same thing could be said about if it's opensource or not. PD: So yes, I don't have any account now on that site that was called "Twitter". |
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| ▲ | jeroenhd 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > the controversial person behind Did I miss a controversy somewhere? | | |
| ▲ | andruby 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The "controversy" is probably referring to this: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5823666/ladybird-web-browser... | | |
| ▲ | jeroenhd 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ah, thanks for the link. Looks like a storm in a glass of water, I'm happy it's not something bigger. The description had me afraid akling came out as full MAGA supporter or something crazy like that. | | | |
| ▲ | chaoskanzlerin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd like to caution the reader that Lunduke is a notoriously biased source, having drifted off into right-wing (and particularly anti-trans) activism in recent years. | |
| ▲ | balamatom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >That statement reads, in full, "This is a purely technical project. As such, it is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics or religious beliefs. Any changes that appear ideologically motivated will be rejected." Yeah well tell me how a Web browser in the 2020s is not an ideological device. I'll wait. |
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| ▲ | shadytrees 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Scroll through his X account -- Charlie Kirk and DHH content are some recent entries. He is one of those people who thinks tech should be apolitical without really interrogating what apolitical means or how it affects people who have been marginalized by politics | | |
| ▲ | jeroenhd 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hmm, I see what you mean. That's a little disappointing. I don't think the contents of any of his recent comments are extreme enough to consider him "controversial" yet, but the language he uses definitely remind me of supposedly "apolitical" or even "centrist" rhetoric. |
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| ▲ | handsclean 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What are you talking about? You’re referring to Andreas Kling, right? All I’m finding is he used to work at Nokia, then on WebKit at Apple, then founded SerenityOS, and now works on Ladybird full time. He says he was a drug addict, but is now many years clean, surely that’s not what you’re taking issue with? | | | |
| ▲ | foofoo12 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wait, what? What did he do? | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | In 2021 he once rejected a PR from a new contributer, which was to change the documentation from using the word "he" to "they". | | |
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