If users didn't flag opinion pieces on hot divisive topics, HN's front page would consist of nothing but opinion pieces about hot divisive topics. As that would be an entirely different site, user flags are vital to preserving HN for its intended mandate. As I put it years ago, we need those white blood cells.

If you want to call that an "organized fringe group trying to control the narrative", I suppose it's really just a different way of wording the same thing.´

I submitted this because I thought the article made insightful points about how an announcement like this can pave the way for downstream policy changes. I’m not trying to start a debate about the announcement itself.

AKA Acetaminophen, depending on the country.

I spent some time in Germany last year and I couldn't believe that the chemical name is somehow different between Europe and the US.

Is there any serious medication without this warning? I was under the impression they all have it, as they can't 100% rule out any kind of sideeffect, even if it wouldn't be harmful.

It shouldn't be.

In the interest of playing Devil's Advocate - even though it's a fine article, I don't think it's promoted particularly good discussion. Partisan politics in general means that people just dig in their heels angrily rather than have good discussion, and the Trump administration - at risk of falling into my own trap here - is far enough away from conventional wisdom on many issues, including this one, in such a way that their decisions and discussions around them sort of inevitably become partisan.

im nobody, i cant speak for whoever/everyone who flagged it. i try to stay out of foreign politics, but ill reply trying to share my understanding. Probably going to regret trying to help.

I'd say the article is extremely opininated and biased against primarily trump and rfk. the article is very far from neutrally reporting facts. extremely hyperbolic and alarmist; immediately visible in the title itself. emotionally charged and advocating for political action.

Its full of personal attacks, trump is unhinged insane, incompetent, dangerous, and irrational?

The article seems to be entirely rhetorical. There's no audience for it. The only people who will find use if it are those who dont need any convincing.

> I think it’s more about allowing people the freedom to make their own medical decisions.

I'm not familiar with how things work in the USA, but this statement from the article seems to say the reverse:

> When Kennedy signs this, the MMRV will not be covered by many insurers and it will be unavailable to most people in practice.

I'm guessing that means currently most people are free to make their own choice on whether to get the vaccine independent of any financial considerations. If is speculations are on target they will have to pay for the vaccine, so the decision has more constraints - and so is correspondingly less free.

About 9 out of 10 unvaccinated children will get Measles, of those about 1 in 1,000 will suffer sever complications like brain damage or death. I guess if you are poor, your pretty likely to means you accept the 0.1% risk.

I agree! You make a good point about how regulatory power can shape consequences in either direction.

Vaccines don't work on a "everybody makes their own choice" basis. It's a basic medical science fact that you need a large enough population to take them to make a difference, and for the people who legitimately cannot take a vaccine, it is in society's interest to help them stay safe and healthy by vaccinating most people.

>Also, I think the idea that we have all this healthcare it’s super expensive yet people aren’t really getting healthier

Americans don't "have all this healthcare". Americans avoid going to the doctors because they cannot afford it. Other countries pay dramatically less for healthcare and get better results.

Even just prescriptions in the US is absurd. People aren't taking medicine they need because a pill or injection that was invented 60 years ago and costs less than a penny a dose is sold for hundreds of dollars a week.

Or maybe "let's not have more of that." In a two-party system, if things are not going well, being the party out of power provides a significant advantage. Combine that with short memories and the irrational hope that a leader might have become more stable, and that's enough for some voters.

> This falls into the endless list of "remember you voted for this".

I think, to be fair, there are only two parties. You can only vote for one "package" of policies. Maybe you are a one-issue voter or maybe you weigh all the different positions of the candidates to find the one who aligns most with you.

I don't think it is accurate to say that all the people who voted for Trump approve of any individual policies -- like this one. So they are allowed to be as upset as anyone else about this stuff.

>> Is there any other action

Move to the other country, like one in the EU. There are some issues but not like this Tylenol madness.

Stop consuming news and social media.

Honestly, log off the internet and touch grass. Things have always been like this, and most things that happen are inconsequential to your average person.

Like, who cares if he says Tylenol is bad for pregnant women? Just do whatever you want to do anyways.

Do you think most people actually hear his speeches directly or know these things? I'm sure when it's chopped up in the right sound bites it's fine.

I think the problem is that too many people do not know or care or respect how institutional knowledge works. And how to build it, and why so many of the things we take for granted is the result of subject matter experts iterating on real world problems for decades.

No one is defending the NIH or Fauci or the math department at UCLA in a way that makes sense to a majority of Americans... Why these are even under attack in the first place is beyond me.

Because of Goldwater thing people don’t discuss it, but really there should be a legislation for mandatory mental evaluation for people in positions of power.

Bus drivers and airline pilots get mental evaluations, and they are only responsible for two hundred people at a time. Yet person responsible for whole country can have any mental illness.

I think the democrats squandered opportunities post 2021. To regain people’s trust they need to:

1. Have actual democratic primaries and get rid of their super delegates.

2. Advocate for the rights of American citizens and not of those streaming illegally across the borders.

3. Protect American industry and labor. This doesn’t just mean propping up unions - it means making an actual effort to bring industry back to the US.

The rest is just theatre. So this autism declaration, or trans baiting is just the sideshow. IMHO - the those are the three main things for me to start considering the democrats again.

It's worse than "they don't care." It's that they do care, and think he's doing a bang up job.

I guess it shows that the society we thought existed, actually didn't exist.

We thought we live in a world of science, reason and kindness. Sure, not everyone is a scientist, or understands it all, but somehow we have recast the mediaeval human into someone who instinctively believes in experiments and peer reviewed papers, not pagan rites and magic.

But I think this must have actually disappeared a long time ago and we just didn't notice. There was no one combining charisma, credibility and the willingness to build support out of setting science on fire.

I'm not even really picking on the US here, I think the rest of the West is not much better.

I'm not a doomer though. I'm sure we can turn it around, or rather that we will bounce back, sooner or later. I just hope it will be a conscious effort rather than a reaction to being utterly burned, like the changes that came from the two world wars.

As long as he makes the woke people and brown people suffer, he can do no wrong.

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What are your thoughts on Tylenol themselves warning against the use of Tylenol while pregnant?

https://x.com/tylenol/status/839196906702127106

Trump’s success is largely a reaction.

The democrats need to change and run a compelling alternative, and I see no evidence that will happen any time soon.

The democrats and the left have, among other issues:

- refused to run legitimate primaries, instead propping up Hillary when she was unpopular, Biden when he was senile, and Kamala when she was also unpopular and a clearly bad candidate

- wasted a lot of goodwill advocating for policies that are unpopular with the center of the country, including trans in woman sports, the border, and crime

- ignored, minimized or outright spoke down to half the country (the “deplorables”)

- spent decades advocating globalization and ignoring the economic effects on half the country

What compelling democratic candidate is there to run in 2028? What is the compelling Democratic vision? The only fresh new charismatic faces I see are AOC and Mamdani; and while I think they are impressive politicians, those types of policies will not win over the center of the country and would lose in any national elections.

Yes, and they hate him so much that they've been doing that to spite him not just in America but all over the Western world, and started decades before Trump even went into politics! Universities and hospitals in France, UK, and Korea have been falsifying data for decades just to stick it to Trump. Look how deep this thing goes!

I'm not sure I'm willing to take medical advice from him.

<THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.>

I'll never forget the look on Dr. Deborah Birx's face after this was said.

He only said we should look into injecting disinfectants to cure Covid, not to actually do it. The full quote is a bit incoherent it’s hard to say what he was actually thinking - the one thing we can probably all agree on is it would do a tremendous number on your lungs if you injected disinfectant into them:

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting.

ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: We'll get to the right folks who could.

THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

Snopes concluded: Mostly false.

IMHO, mostly false isn’t insanely wrong.

Snopes sets a weird standard of "he didn't say that Americans should go inject bleach."

Regardless, saying that injecting bleach might work and should be studied is an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Snopes is only saying that he didn't say a very specific stupid thing. He still said a (very slightly) different stupid thing. It's not much of a defense.

Lets stay within reality here: https://www.tylenol.com/safety-dosing/dosage-for-children-in...

That's why dosing is by weight and for children is a liquid, so the dose can be adjusted easily.

A children's dose of Tylenol is 160mg. The regular strength is is 325mg. The extra strength is 500mg.

https://www.stlouischildrens.org/health-resources/dosage-tab...

A typical 500mg adult dosage tablet isn't recommended til the child is > 72lbs.

They make smaller tablets. Smaller tablets can also be cut up. And there's liquid preparations that can be tuned to whatever level is needed.

The safe dose size for kids is well-known and well-studied.

The typical child's dose of Acetaminophen is 160mg (recommended dosage for 2-3 year olds over 24 lbs). It usually comes with a syringe that can measure out less (160mg is per 5ml), per your doctor's recommendation.

> given the typical dose is 500mg to be honest

The dosage in children’s Tylenol is much smaller than that—you don’t get a dosage near that size until kids are around 11.

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