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| ▲ | Mikhail_Edoshin 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Russia has a working system that tracks retail sales of individual cans of beer, bottles of milk and such. Initially it was introduced to track things like shoes and furs that were massively counterfeited, but then expanded to include other goods. So now in a grocery store you use it, for example, for all milk products (milk, cheese, ice cream, etc.), vegetable oil, beer, mineral water. Technically you just scan a different barcode (QR code). There's also an app you can use to scan the thing and get more information, such as the exact producer. The general idea was to fight counterfeit goods, but as a side effect it also enforces shelf life rules or may help to find a drugstore that has a specific drug. So it is possible and not that expensive even as a country-wide system for goods that cost around $1 (a typical can of beer). | | |
| ▲ | orthoxerox 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And yes, it does have additional codes for larger-scale packages. So a pack of cigarettes gets its own code, a carton gets its own code, a box of cartons gets its own code. A wholesaler can just scan the box and the system updates the status of every pack inside. | |
| ▲ | tstrimple 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What am I missing about this? Couldn't the scammer just replicate the QR code of a legit shop? I thought the point of counterfeit goods was to fool you into buying them instead of the real thing. I guess part of the process would have to be verifying that every shipment of goods received was accurately tracked from a valid "ship from" address, but I have to imagine there's a lot of common warehousing in use for bulk goods. I'm not understanding how the QR code helps solve that. Maybe a unique bar code per-item that includes some private hash information that makes it unique to the producer? Sort of an electronic signature for physical goods? Then if there's a centralized database, copying the QR codes wouldn't do much good. You might be able to slip in one if it is sold before the real version. But each subsequent copy could be caught. |
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| ▲ | Retric 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They didn’t need to actually track things internally, add a sticker or even have someone stamp the vender code to the item listing the vendor when you’re adding the item to the bins and if the customer complains you can likely use that sticker to track who added the item after the fact. Critically you don’t need some 6 digit number for vender code, every new vender for a given item gets a number for that item, software can remember the relevant mapping. If some vender is adding fraudulent items to the system based on some thresholds you set, charge the vendor to manually sort those specific products out. Odds are they would make up the ~5 cents per item just dealing with less fraud. However, you don’t need to track every item rack the first few thousand items from a vender and you can scale back tracking as they prove themselves. At scale this could be almost arbitrarily cheap. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >Odds are they would make up the ~5 cents per item just dealing with less fraud. They’d be better stewards of the industry, but aren’t the odds that everything they’ve done for the past decade has improved their bottom line? This is the company whose policies have effectively forced their drivers to use plastic bottles as toilets. | |
| ▲ | FredPret 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That’s a really clever and simple plan but doing anything like applying stickers, correctly, by hand or robot, can add cost ranging from $<surprising> to $<shocking>. Maybe they have a variation of your idea where they inkjet a serial number onto a conveyor belt of incoming items or add a super-cheap chip of some kind. | |
| ▲ | chrisweekly 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
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| ▲ | diab0lic 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > or you have to physically segregate inventory by vendor, which is not practical. The headline seems to indicate that the geniuses in logistics at Amazon have figured out how to make it practical! | | |
| ▲ | londons_explore 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | My understanding is every individual item is tracked in an Amazon warehouse - so Amazon knows that the 67th item in a box from supplier X was shipped to user Y. They don't just track quantities of SKU's like most other retailers. |
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| ▲ | PeterStuer 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Amazon has many requirements for vendors. Having them tag SKUs with a vendor id would be minor. I stopped buying from "fullfilled by Amazon" as the level of fraud was just insane. | |
| ▲ | gonzobonzo 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This always confused me. You have a bottle of glue sold by company X. Then you have 87 different people "buying" the glue in bulk, having it sent to Amazon, and selling it on Amazon as if it comes from their store: Buying option 1: Company X glue from store A.
Buying option 2: Company X glue from store B.
Buying option 3: Company X glue from store C.
...etc. But then Amazon says, "actually, these are all the exact same bottles of glue, so we'll thrown them all into the same bin, and no matter what "store" the people buy them from, we'll just grab them out and send them to the customer. Now even without counterfeits, this is weird. What exactly is the point of store A, B, C, etc.? Company X sends the bottles to Amazon, they get put in one big pile, you buy them on Amazon, and Amazon takes them out of that one big pile and sends them to you. The only thing purpose of the "stores" when you co-mingle inventory seems to be: 1. Plausible deniability for counterfeits. Hey, they told us they bought it from company X, we had no way of knowing they didn't. 2. Getting money from people trying to get rich quick in the marketplace. Some people will try all sorts of cuts to boost their Amazon sales in the hope that it will pay off later. | | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The reality is more complicated than you are assuming. A shockingly large number of vendors grossly mismanage their supply chains such that Company X can actually be legitimately undercut by reseller Company A on Amazon even though Company X produces the product! The mechanics of it are convoluted but legit, and there is a huge ecosystem of companies that arbitrage the legions of producers that are bad at managing their global supply chains. Amazon has an interest in allowing these resellers of legitimate products to exist because it pushes down prices from the primary vendors, lowering prices for the customer. The primary vendors end up competing against themselves indirectly but they have no one to blame but themselves. This is the milieu in which counterfeit products exist. If the producers of these products were consistently competent at managing their supply chains it would be much less of an issue because it would clear the field of resellers arbitraging the mismanagement, leaving only Company X and the counterfeiters which is a much easier problem to solve because you don’t have to worry about banning legitimate resellers. But that isn’t where we are. | | |
| ▲ | rocqua 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is the arbitrage you are describing just "buy in another country and ship more cheaply"? | | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s one way but far from the only one. Producers like to do things like make random deals through their myriad divisions to offload inventory to a random reseller very cheaply that ultimately finds its way onto Amazon at a price that undercuts cost of the original producer’s contract on Amazon. The cost of sales are not the same on Amazon even if you are selling the same product, so they can legit undercut you. You also have different divisions of the same company around the world all selling on Amazon under different contracts competing with each other (which Amazon tacitly encourages AFAICT). Smart companies put contracts globally that have Amazon implications under a single person who can see across every deal. If they sell to someone with a restriction on Amazon resale, they will mark those goods so that they can track it if it shows up on Amazon. However, there are so many fly-by-night resellers that this is a losing proposition, so many don’t bother with those resellers anymore because enforcement yields nothing. The vast majority of companies are naive and not very smart about any of this. People that know how to systematically set up a sales program that is profitable and resistant to arbitrage on Amazon get paid a lot of money in industry. It isn’t that hard but most companies can’t seem to figure it out. | |
| ▲ | mcherm 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's one approach. There is also "buy it at a discount, resell it without much markup" and "buy it earlier, store it until prices rise", and plenty of other ways to perform this arbitrage. |
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| ▲ | josefx 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Certainly not worth it for $10-20 item. Really? Adding a unique ID at the point of entry costs that much? | | |
| ▲ | jazzyjackson 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I read it as "For items in the ten to twenty dollar range, its not worth adding a vendor label" and I don't suppose its the cost of the sticker, but how much longer does it take the warehouse worker to take it from a shelf and put it in a box if they add a sticker to every item? +5% ? +10% ? +100% ? (It takes very little time to put an item in a box, I could see adding a sticker doubling this...) | |
| ▲ | SteveNuts 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I thought Walmart has been doing this with their vendors for many years | |
| ▲ | FredPret 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | These things can have complications when you take into account all the edge cases. And paying humans/robots to do anything really adds up. But at their scale, maybe they found a plan that works! |
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