You made the analogy & the claim that cooking in the west feels like cooking in your bedroom. The onus is actually on you to explain it and prove it. I didn't make any claims. Oh, I guess I claimed that the bedroom is where people sleep and get dressed. No, I will not be providing data for this. :)

The link you've provided says nothing about hoods generally not being in western homes or make your analogy any more apt.

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infecto 4 days ago | parent [-]

You’re missing the point. I already explained why Western kitchens often feel like “cooking in your bedroom”: open layouts, weak or recirculating hoods, and a lot of households with no real ventilation at all. The data backs this, about 10% with no hood, another 26–36% with recirculating, only, and plenty more with underpowered or poorly designed systems.

I never claimed hoods don’t exist, just that they’re often inadequate. And yes it’s wild to me that 10% of homes don’t have a hood and the other 30% or so are recirculating air which is close to the same. Whether the analogy clicks for you or not, it reflects the lived reality of anyone who cooks frequently (especially with high heat or strong flavors). That’s why Chinese-style kitchens, with closed layouts and strong direct venting, are so valued.

If your rebuttal boils down to “but bedrooms are for sleeping,” then maybe this discussion is not valuable.

Why do people insist on defending the oddest of hills over such a lived experience comment like the one I made. Now for sure if you rarely cook or if cooking is making Mac and cheese then sure this will be hard to understand.

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dfxm12 4 days ago | parent [-]

Your job is not to prove why you prefer Chinese style kitchens. I merely asked you to explain your analogy.

I was trying to understand your analogy, because, having cooked in western kitchens and been in bedrooms (often in the same house!), it made no sense to me. It's not like people generally sleep in their kitchens. Your reasoning seems to be that cooking makes your house smell. Even if this is true, I still don't see how this makes your kitchen feel like your bedroom.

Then you talked about hoods, with an undefined "adequacy" measure. I correctly suspected here you were going to use this undefined adequacy measure to move away from the analogy about cooking in your bedroom (presumably because it is inexplainable) to start a separate argument and take it wherever you needed to. You found some study (about Canada, but there's a lot of "West") that talks about hoods (being found in 90% of homes). But you see, some of these hoods are not adequate enough... sigh

OK, all that is beside the point, because again, what does any of this business about hoods have to do with bedrooms?

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infecto 4 days ago | parent [-]

You’re really overcomplicating this. The analogy isn’t about dragging a bed into the kitchen, it’s about the way smells and particulates permeate living spaces when ventilation is weak or nonexistent. In an open floor plan, cooking odors don’t stay “in the kitchen,” they drift into the same areas where you relax, sleep, or work. That’s the point: the boundaries between spaces collapse, so it feels like you’re cooking in your bedroom.

If you can’t grasp that distinction after multiple explanations, then maybe the analogy isn’t the problem. Happy to discuss if you actually have anything constructive to add but please your beating a dead horse for no reason.

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dfxm12 4 days ago | parent [-]

I have nothing to discuss with you if you're the type to resort to personal insults when challenged.

	▲	infecto 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		What insults and what have I not explained to you? You are arguing with me over a lived experience. You can have a different lived experience than me but I find that open concept kitchens coupled with what is always poor ventilation leads to smelly situations for most types of cooking. I don’t even understand what you are arguing with me about. I gave you data and my own experience. You refute and ignore the data and waffle on the rest. Like I said, maybe the problem is not the analogy here. If that hurts, well then tell me why I am wrong. This is definitely tops as one of the more silly threads I have participated in.