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danpalmer 15 hours ago

This pretty much sums up my feeling on the new generation. I too don't understand what's "awe dropping" about it, and have finally switched from an iPhone 15 Pro to the Android ecosystem, where a flip phone is somewhat "awe dropping". I'm not fully convinced about it, but it's different, it's fun, it's clever, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

The only thing I disagree with here is about the Air. I think Apple's strategy with the Air is to split the Pro line. Previously the Pro phones were for people who wanted a premium feeling and who wanted premium features, but those are often in tension, and might hold each other back. Now the Air is for those who want premium feel (you might call it flashy, looks great, feels great, but has trade-offs), and now the Pro is an uncompromising set of features, at the expense of being bigger and having a comical camera ~bump~ ~plateau~ continent. This is the same as the Watch, where you have the stainless steel models for the premium feel, and the Ultra for the premium features.

I suspect many on HN may not differentiate between the premium features and feel as much – I know it's not what I jump to – because "design is how it works" and many here aren't as fashion conscious, but a lot of folks buy new phones based on the colour, or how thin it feels, or other details that are easily written off when you know more about the hardware. I think the Air might be a big hit, while getting very little of the enthusiast market.

svachalek 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know how widespread this is but in my little circle the orange Pro was the biggest draw, it's the first in the Pro line (or at least as far as I can remember) with real color to it. Most of them are grayscale or very muted colors. It's another "feel" thing but got more attention than the Air's thin body.

swiftcoder 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ever since Apple dropped out of Product (RED), we haven't had a lot of bold colour choices. They feel steadily more muted (including the set of non-Pro colours this time around)

kayodelycaon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Agreed. I’m going to be very sad when I have to replace my red Apple Watch.

Mistletoe 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The people that I know laughed heartily at the orange.

kshacker 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I am one of those buying orange. Never went for colors, always deep blue or grey, but both my son and I went for orange. And not even politically connected. Just liked the color.

martin_a 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Go for it! I had a bright red case for my phone for some time. Looked great, a nice little splash of color, also worked well with the company I was working for at that time (brand color was red, too).

I've changed phones since then and at some time found red "too much", so I went with a black case because I thought I needed to look more serious. Should revisit that thought, especially when talking about phone cases... :-D

thiht 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What would it have to do with politics?

hbs18 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's about the Hacker News party, it's orange on voting results maps.

nuthje 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Showing support for the revolution against the Spanish Habsburgs.

swiftcoder 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some people live in Northern Ireland

card_zero 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Several more live in India. I guess the political significance of the color is less strong than in Norn Ireland but it seems Modi's BJP is orange.

emptyfile 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Gigachad 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends who you are. If you want to take pro video on the phone they dropped some great improvements. The Air is impressive even if not the phone I'd pick. But realistically, if your current phone works really well for you which it probably does, nothing they could possibly announce would be interesting to you.

bigyabai 12 hours ago | parent [-]

> nothing they could possibly announce would be interesting to you.

Apple is a hardware company that makes lifestyle products. Why isn't their hardware appealing to me? Why can't it be?

In a competitive economy, phrases like this should a last resort, used to describe only the most decrepit and unjustifiable businesses. If nothing they can announce will interest me, then what are they even selling? A religion? A service? Certainly not a commodity, apparently nothing I need.

immibis 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes. They are selling a religion. "Lifestyle product" is another word for "consumerist religion". Otherwise it would just be "product".

thaumasiotes 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://chainsawsuit.krisstraub.com/20161028.shtml

When "you can't use it outside anyhow" expands to phones, which are only useful because you can take them outside.

astrange 13 hours ago | parent [-]

You couldn't really always phones outside until they switched to OLED because you couldn't see the screens in sunlight. They were still popular though.

bitwize 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I wish transflective LCDs were a thing on phones.

abruzzi an hour ago | parent [-]

Its kind of funny--my GPS's LCD screen gets /more/ readable in sunlight.

Analemma_ 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

These are my thoughts exactly. I've seen a bunch of people who don't value thinness or lightness in a phone getting dismissive or outright angry at the existence of the Air, and I want to grab them and shake them until they get it. I don't want the Air at all, and that's exactly why I'm thrilled it exists: it will split the Pro buyers into form-valuers and function-valuers, so the function-valuers like me can get an iPhone with a huge battery and a vapor chamber in it.

If you're one of those people who goes "why can't they make the phone thicker and heavier with more battery life", you should be overjoyed at the Air, because now that those buyers are peeled off to a different SKU, the product line for you doesn't need to find a happy medium with them.

Dylan16807 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I appreciate that idea, but in this case the thinness is half-fake and it's still not all that light.