> Musicians are not the consumers, users are the consumers

Yeah but if you want to sell cheese it's probably a good idea to maintain a good relationship with farmers.

prmoustache 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Searching for and playing music from YouTube (including integration with playlists and SponsorBlock), Jamendo, Audius and SoundCloud

From what I understand the _farmers_ themselves are distributing their _cheese_ freely on various website and this tool is just a glorified search engine to find them more easily. Not sure why the _farmers_ would complain?

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AlecSchueler 6 days ago | parent [-]

Some of them are but not all of them are, some of them are having their cheese redistributed without their involvement. The ones who are complaining are the ones who aren't happy, such as the musician quoted in the testimonials saying "fuck everything about this.'

	▲	dpoloncsak 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		Isn't that literally 'shooting the messenger'? You can Google search for pirated music too. It's not 'Fuck Google' for indexing these, its 'Fuck those sites' for hosting it, right?

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account42 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Not if the cheese can be copied at no cost and there are already more cheese varieties around than anyone could eat in a lifetime. In that word, farmers should have no say in who does and doesn't get to eat cheese or extract a tax from cheese consumption.

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AlecSchueler 6 days ago | parent [-]

> there are already more cheese varieties around than anyone could eat in a lifetime.

If that's what you think then why don't we just close down all the studios and instrument shops. We've got enough, no need to keep producing it?

You can copy and distributed the cheese freely but the farmer still has to spend money taking care of and housing the cows, milking the cows, going through the whole processes of churning and pasteurising and everything else, then packaging it and disturbing it to where you can initially find it.

Now after all that you come along and make your perfect atomic copy and walk away saying "Well screw you, you should have no say in any of this..."

Then what? What's the incentive to produce and distribute new cheese? You really think it doesn't matter because you already have cheese from the past? Because there's a lot to be said about cheese that captures the spirit of the zeitgeist...(Ok that last bit didn't work in the metaphor)

	▲	account42 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		There is nothing wrong with people creating new music, either out of passion or because they have some way to get paid for it (patronage, crowdfunding, live performances). But as abundance of available creative works increases we need to re-evaluate what cost we should pay as a society in order to incentivize it. IMO we are at a point where no incentive via copyright is needed and the cost copyright imposes on everyone is way too high. The world only works as well as it does because most people routinely ignore copyright already. And no, in this analogy the farmer doesn't have to keep working for us to have enough cheese - only if someone specifically wants a new kind of cheese. We don't need to bend reality in order to make information scarce for that.