There's a lot of dishonesty relating to this. This really isn't about Puritanism, unless you're redefining Puritanism to mean having any morality at all.

Do you really want to compel selling access to pedo games?

Do you really want to compel selling access to rape games?

Do you really want to compel selling access to incest games?

Do you really want to compel selling access to domestic violence games? [this is the only addition that I wasn't aware of from previous investigations, but I still don't think it's valid to call it a "slippery slope" yet]

A lot of customers don't want to be shown such games in the first place (keep in mind that most tag systems are pretty bad at negative filtering, either due to platform limitations or due to not being used in practice).

We can argue about whether "it's better to sell pedos fake content rather than real content" etc. (keep in mind that some of these things are actually illegal in many countries even when no real people are involved), but if so we should be explicit that that is our argument, and not falsely claiming this is some attack on sex in general. (Also keep in mind that free games are immune to payment processor decisions.)

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crooked-v 7 days ago | parent | next [-]

The same group driving this has attempted to get games like Detroit: Become Human banned because they include even the basic concept of mistreatment against women as part of the dramatic narrative. Not glorifying it, just having it exist, even when explicitly framed as a negative thing the narrative explores the consequences of.

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johnnyanmac 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Do you really want to compel selling access to pedo games?

Games that are pedophilia is very different form games that appeal to potential pedophiles. The first one is not only not allowed on Steam but outright illegal overall. Steam doesn't even want you using adult models in their games for this very reason; they don't want to need to verify ages.

For the latter: I guess so? It's really hard to determine what triggers someone to commit crime. I don't think any but the most blatant cases are as simple as "play video game with teenagers in it -> I want to have sex with a real teenager". This is why it's better to focus on who's victmized instead of who may or may not be influenced.

>Do you really want to compel selling access to rape games?

there are 1000 games released on steam every month. A game's existence isn't a compelling factor to buy it.

With that in mind for all subsequent answers: yes, I dont mind games with rape being sold. I will not buy it, but if they find a market: so be it.

>Do you really want to compel selling access to incest games?

Sure. Maybe this is a hot take, but I never had a stronger attraction to my mom because I watched porn of someone else banging their "stepmother". I'm into it because it's other people doing forbidden acts (or toeing the line with the "step" aspects), not because I'm interested in doing the forbidden act myself. This goes all the way back to Romeo and Juliet; people are engaged by romance fighting against societal norms.

>Do you really want to compel selling access to domestic violence games?

GTA has been a thing for some 30 years now. I think this boat has set sail. But yes.

>keep in mind that most tag systems are pretty bad at negative filtering, either due to platform limitations or due to not being used in practice

okay. So how about we fix that instead of just banning content we don't like. Steam is already too strong for my liking, but they very much can enforce a system where an account is suspended for too many clearly bad tags.

>keep in mind that free games are immune to payment processor decisions

Itch has a donation system on all game pages. So that's not quite the case here. Also, pressurign payment processors will endanger the entire store, even if every NSFW game is free.

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Dylan16807 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't want to compel any stores to sell anything, but I do want to compel monopoly/duopoly money processors to process money for legitimate transactions for legal goods.

And the list of games targeted and affected here is really expansive.

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MegaButts 7 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Do you really want to compel selling access to pedo games?

> Do you really want to compel selling access to rape games?

> Do you really want to compel selling access to incest games?

So ban the things you believe are the problem instead of blanket banning everything.

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o11c 7 days ago | parent [-]

Are they actually banning "everything" though? From what I can see, that's entirely clickbait fraud.

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SXX 7 days ago | parent [-]

The group behind this censorship attack is not just against porn games. It's also attacked games like Detroit: Become Human.

So they want to censor far more than just porn.

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o11c 7 days ago | parent [-]

I didn't mention "porn", and there's a reason I included domestic violence simulations in list of specific things they're targeting; when phrased like that it sounds like a reasonable category to ban. I haven't played that specific game but it certainly sounds close enough that it could be caught even if not intended (and maybe it is intended - even if I trust what people say on the internet and the game is well-meaning, that doesn't mean it is actually healthy or sane).

If it really is an example of a rare false positive, a manual fix for that one specific game is a reasonable thing to seek, without giving the pedos their heyday like most of the comments here suggest.

	▲	SXX 7 days ago \| parent [-]
		You might disagree with me and others here and even want censorship for games. But don't you think it's should be regulated by your local government for your specific country or by whatever regulator there is where you live? Do you really think Visa and MasterCard should be making decisions what is acceptable for like everyone? Otherwise any random weirdos from UK or Australia will censor what are you allowed to watch or play in the US. And China can also put pretty good pressure on payment processors too. They'll certainly want many games gone since they are worse than pedos for CCP.