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algorias a day ago

No, people get ill from excessive quantities of alcohol.

literalAardvark a day ago | parent | next [-]

Acetaldehyde is always toxic, so no, they always get sick, just less sick.

bobxmax a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Getting drunk is literally poisoning yourself. Some humans just happen to enjoy the symptoms of said poison.

accrual a day ago | parent | next [-]

Kind of reminds me of dolphins taking turns chewing on pufferfish, apparently for fun/altered states.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dolphins-seem-to-u...

nitwit005 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most people aren't getting drunk every time they drink.

Try wine and grape juice side by side. Baring truly awful wine, the wine will taste better (I suppose you could have awful grape juice too, but, you get the idea).

kranner 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Taste is subjective. To people not used to consuming any alcohol the wine might taste worse than plain grape juice.

SwtCyber 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Context and experience shape so much of how we taste things

nitwit005 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, but it's a taste people have spent a couple thousand years working on, and it's remained popular through huge changes in culture and diet. People clearly like it.

kranner 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Some people, sure, but not all people.

ac29 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Try wine and grape juice side by side. Baring truly awful wine, the wine will taste better

The unfermented juice of wine grapes has many similarities to the wine it would produce if fermented. "Grape juice" is usually pretty one note, just sweet.

bobxmax a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, but if alcohol didn't get you drunk consumption would plummet 95%.

OJFord 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I wouldn't be so sure... I'm certain my own would increase. (Assuming 'get you drunk' means something like 'contain ethanol' i.e. no 'buzz' or whatever but also no adverse effect on liver, the next day, ...).

If you want a cold drink that isn't sweet, your choices are pretty much alcohol, alcohol-free alternative, water.

alisonatwork 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tea and coffee don't have to be sweet either, and there are lots of cold versions of those.

kranner 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also plenty of traditional cold drinks that are savoury or can be savoury: doogh, ayran, lassi, jaljeera, buttermilk, kvass

OJFord 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I guess simply 'milk' I also missed, which is a bit sweet of course but I wasn't intending to lump it in with fruit juices and added-sugar drinks.

I did almost mention jaljeera, but thought that might be a bit niche. It is also often sweetened though. I've never known not-sweet lassi though? Salted lassi is still sweet underneath, like salted caramel, ime. We could count it with the sweet-ish milk drinks, anyway.

aziaziazi 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’ll add legumes juices : both raw, fresh blend or the water from a soup that you separate and put in a fridge. Those are delicious.

Kvaas contain alcohol, doesn’t it?

thesz 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of about kefir percentage. Kwas has 0.5-1.5% ABV, kefir has 0.02-2.0% ABV.

kranner 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Kvaas contain alcohol, doesn’t it?

I think only as much as kombucha, not enough to cause a buzz

metaphor 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To be fair, the concept of iced tea as an objective desire is considered the provenance of blasphemous original sin by a not insignificant percentage of natives where the parent hails from.

astura 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>If you want a cold drink that isn't sweet, your choices are pretty much alcohol, alcohol-free alternative, water.

Uh, no.

There's also seltzer, flavored seltzer, flavored water, iced tea, iced coffee, herbal infusions (like hibiscus, rooibos, honeybush, etc), broth, milk and plant based milk alternatives, and fermented drinks like kombucha + kefir. That's just off the top of my head.

Hibiscus even has the benefit of helping regulate blood pressure.

I almost never drink sweet drinks or plain water and rarely drink alcohol. My fluid consumption is almost entirely: hot tea, iced tea, kombucha, and hibiscus infusion. Sometimes seltzer. Sometimes coffee.

nitwit005 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That seems unlikely. Non alcoholic drinks are already an enormous market, and people would have less reason to limit consumption with the health downside removed.

voidUpdate 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you hate the taste of alcohol (like me), I think the grape juice would taste better

astura 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I like beer and I think the taste of wine is absolutely vile.

chamomeal 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Totally agree. I love beer. I just love it. I would drink beer all day if it didn’t have that damned alcohol in it.

I like alcohol too, but not nearly as much as I like beer. Kinda sounds nonsensical, but that’s how I feel!

ljsprague 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The dose makes the poison.