| ▲ | yellow_lead 13 hours ago |
| > The algorithm used in the US was apparently banned in China for being too addictive. Source?
I could only find this. https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/03/08/1069527/china-ti... |
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| ▲ | afavour 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > That same year, Douyin imposed a 40-minute daily limit for users under 14. Last year, Chinese regulators introduced a rule that would limit children under age 18 to two hours of smartphone screen time each day. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111... |
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| ▲ | p_j_w 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s not at all the same as banning the algorithm. | | |
| ▲ | afavour 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s not the same, no. I provided the link because it’s what I assume the OP is referring to. Limiting use to 40 minutes is not a ban but it still shows a view that extended exposure to it is harmful. To turn it on its head, if more than 40 minutes is viewed harmful for Chinese youth, why not American? | | | |
| ▲ | throwawayq3423 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a clear sign the international version of TikTok, because of it's addictiveness and content, would never be allowed for a single minute in China by the people that know the most about what it is, and what is does. What more do you need to know? | | |
| ▲ | dv_dt 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | If it was a legal requirement for Chinese apps in China, and this is the path for societal heath then why not pass that law for all social apps in the US? | | |
| ▲ | throwawayq3423 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Blanket content bans are the stuff of dictatorships, but restricting access to demographics that could be most harmed by it (children for example) is a good idea, and I wish the US would look into it. |
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| ▲ | andy_xor_andrew 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe the "community notes" model isn't so bad after all |
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| ▲ | croes 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That limit is independent of the used algorithm. | | |
| ▲ | actionfromafar 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | How would you know? If you have only a certain time-window, you may need another kind of algorithm to retain ̶a̶d̶d̶i̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n interest day-over-day. | | |
| ▲ | croes 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean the limit is for all social media, the algorithm doesn’t matter. |
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| ▲ | legitster 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111... Anecdotally, I have heard from people who lived in China at the time that there was a significant shift in content a few years back. |
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| ▲ | cma 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | The whole country had a shift though, they implemented gaming and entertainment regulations and video sites like bilibili went from $153 to a low of $8 a share. | | |
| ▲ | herval 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | China didn't go after TikTok _alone_ - they reportedly went after anything deemed too addictive, including limiting the time spent on games. It was very clearly aimed towards reducing digital addiction (which is something us in the West still try to ignore as an epidemic) | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > China didn't go after TikTok _alone_ Because it was never there. Bytedance never launched TikTok in China. | | |
| ▲ | herval 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | it's called Douyin. It's the same product, the same way a Mexican Coke is the same thing as an American Coke, and both are produced by the same company (Coca Cola). | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > it's called Douyin. It's the same product It’s a similar product. We don’t have any server-side code so we don’t know. | | |
| ▲ | herval 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | did you read the rest of the sentence or | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | The analogy to Coca Cola? Let me make another comparison: the 737 Max with one AoA sensor was made by the same company that only sold the one with two in America. |
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| ▲ | ruthmarx 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Mexican Coke is different though. It doesn't use HFCS. | | |
| ▲ | herval 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Precisely. Like TikTok and Douyin. | | |
| ▲ | ruthmarx 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Except your analogy breaks as they are not the same product. | | |
| ▲ | herval 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Except they are | | |
| ▲ | ruthmarx 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, buddy, they're not. If two products have the same name but different ingredients, they are categorically not the same product. You chose a bad analogy, that's all. |
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| ▲ | wahnfrieden 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes it does. The US product called Mexican Coke doesn't, but Coke in Mexico does. | |
| ▲ | cma 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It would be more like Coke was Mexican owned and HFCS was outlawed in Mexico. Then Mexican Coke used sugar and the Coke they exported to America used HFCS. And America said, hey, you're not consuming the same Coke you send here: we're going to ban you if you don't sell to us and our plan is to keep making HFCS Coke once we buy you. You were also hurting Pepsi (Facebook/Twitter), who also only plan on ever using HFCS. |
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| ▲ | niceice 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The entire app is banned. They use a different one called Douyin. |
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| ▲ | slt2021 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | I dont think tiktok app is banned because of algorithm, because bytedance created and maintains both Doyin and Tiktok. I think it is form of compartmentalizing Internet and social networks, to keep Chinese internet and social media separate from the US. the red book app, where tiktok refugees are flocking to right now, also want to introduce geofence and compartmentalize Chinese users and US users separately | | |
| ▲ | throwawayq3423 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are making a distinction without a difference. China knows TikTok is harmful, which is why it allows it's export and bans domestic consumption. Think of it like a drug. | |
| ▲ | tmnvdb 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Tiktok is banned completely in China because it doesn't not have the agressive filtering and CPP propaganda in place to operate in China. The CPP can not allow Chineze citizens to engage in an open exchange of ideas with eachother or with the citizens of other free nations, for obvious reasons. | | |
| ▲ | skyyler 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | >because it doesn't not have the agressive filtering and CPP propaganda in place to operate in China Do you believe that all Chinese media is part of a propaganda machine? Do you believe the same of American or French media? | | |
| ▲ | gkbrk 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You cannot operate a TV channel, a radio station or a newspaper in China without running everything through CCP first for approval. You won't find a single news report critical of the CCP because of this. Every social media app or website in China is required to ask for your real name and ID number, and implement any censorship requested by the party. If you post something that rubs the government the wrong way, your identity is readily available. I don't believe this level of content control, censorship and user prosecution is there for all American media. And if it were, you are allowed to set up your own channel or social media app in America to be the exception. | | |
| ▲ | skyyler 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Every social media app or website in China is required to ask for your real name and ID number, and implement any censorship requested by the party. If you post something that rubs the government the wrong way, your identity is readily available. I didn't know this. Do you have any reading on the subject you can recommend? | | |
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| ▲ | 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | grahamj 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes. No. (Although that No is getting a bit blurry with US social media bending over for commander cheeto) | |
| ▲ | tmnvdb 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes.
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| ▲ | HenryBemis 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-betwe... "It’s almost like they recognize that technology is influencing kids’ development, and they make their domestic version a spinach version of TikTok, while they ship the opium version to the rest of the world,” |
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| ▲ | the_clarence 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| His comment is obvious propaganda |
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| ▲ | vFunct 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The actual senators that created the ban I worked on some language in the bill for my Senator. The unifying concern—and my and their concern—was China. I know when you have a pet war you tend to see everything through its lens, but most Americans—including electeds—couldn’t care less about what’s going on in Gaza or Ukraine. | | |
| ▲ | donbateman 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | vFunct 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s not now policy works in the US. We aren’t a direct democracy. Policy proposals don’t require “most Americans” to care about it. It only requires most LEGISLATORS to care. And legislators have zero requirement to explain to the public the real reason a policy proposal happens. The language used in a bill doesn’t have to be the reason it exists. This is how lobbying works. I get that people have pet issues they want to protect, but Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office Wow, people really believe Joe Biden wouldn’t have bombed his debate if he just changed his policy on Israel. (Or more seriously, that Kamala was kept out of the White House by this. What a myopic worldview.) | | |
| ▲ | vFunct 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, people believe that, because that’s what scientific polling states. Wow. You may not agree with the 10% of the population that sides with Hamas, but that’s enough to cause an election to flip from Democrat to Republican or Independent, causing a 1.5% win for Trump. The world doesn’t operate in majorities. Small groups do have power over you. |
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| ▲ | iaseiadit 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They’re talking about the algorithm that’s used outside of China being banned in China, not TikTok being banned in the US. | |
| ▲ | whateveracct 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Israel is why we can’t have nice things in America. I wouldn't say TikTok is a "nice thing" .. | |
| ▲ | bushbaba 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a conspiracy theory. The banning of TikTok was discussed prior to the Hamas Israel war. | | |
| ▲ | vFunct 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | The actual senators that wrote the legislation publicly stated TikTok was banned because of Israel. I get that Zionists don’t want that reason stated publicly, hoping to blame China instead, but it’s out there now. | | |
| ▲ | bushbaba 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Congress voted on the bill, and congress did not vote yes for Israel, but US interests if a war with China were to start. |
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