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JumpCrisscross 8 months ago | parent | next [-]

> The actual senators that created the ban

I worked on some language in the bill for my Senator. The unifying concern—and my and their concern—was China.

I know when you have a pet war you tend to see everything through its lens, but most Americans—including electeds—couldn’t care less about what’s going on in Gaza or Ukraine.

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donbateman 8 months ago | parent | next [-]

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vFunct 8 months ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s not now policy works in the US. We aren’t a direct democracy. Policy proposals don’t require “most Americans” to care about it. It only requires most LEGISLATORS to care.

And legislators have zero requirement to explain to the public the real reason a policy proposal happens. The language used in a bill doesn’t have to be the reason it exists. This is how lobbying works.

I get that people have pet issues they want to protect, but Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

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JumpCrisscross 8 months ago | parent [-]

> Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office

Wow, people really believe Joe Biden wouldn’t have bombed his debate if he just changed his policy on Israel. (Or more seriously, that Kamala was kept out of the White House by this. What a myopic worldview.)

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vFunct 8 months ago | parent [-]

Yes, people believe that, because that’s what scientific polling states. Wow.

You may not agree with the 10% of the population that sides with Hamas, but that’s enough to cause an election to flip from Democrat to Republican or Independent, causing a 1.5% win for Trump.

The world doesn’t operate in majorities. Small groups do have power over you.

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JumpCrisscross 8 months ago | parent [-]

> that’s what scientific polling states

What poll? Every reputable pollster said the opposite.

> You may not agree with the 10% of the population that sides with Hamas, but that’s enough to cause an election to flip

I don’t and it’s not because of where they are. State-level polls on the issue show it’s irrelevant. That’s why it was ignored. The fact that people were willing to throw the election on this single issue certainly changed my view on the matter, and I know two Republican Senators who took it as a license to be more aggressive against Palestine and Iran.

	▲	vFunct 8 months ago \| parent [-]
		All the reputable pollsters agree with me, including probably THE best pollster: YouGov See: https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/artic... If you don’t want to believe reputable pollsters you can look at state primary polling results. For those, the uncommitted movement received 9% of the votes in the Democratic primaries. And Kamala lost by 1.5% in the general election. You can thank us in making sure your candidate was defeated. Maybe next time don’t live stream Jews killing thousands of Muslim children on Instagram with the support of your candidate while pretending it doesn’t matter? lol you really thought Gaza didn’t matter in the election? Even I don’t believe you believe that. Be serious.

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iaseiadit 8 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They’re talking about the algorithm that’s used outside of China being banned in China, not TikTok being banned in the US.

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whateveracct 8 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Israel is why we can’t have nice things in America.

I wouldn't say TikTok is a "nice thing" ..

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bushbaba 8 months ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a conspiracy theory. The banning of TikTok was discussed prior to the Hamas Israel war.

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vFunct 8 months ago | parent [-]

The actual senators that wrote the legislation publicly stated TikTok was banned because of Israel.

I get that Zionists don’t want that reason stated publicly, hoping to blame China instead, but it’s out there now.

	▲	bushbaba 8 months ago \| parent [-]
		Congress voted on the bill, and congress did not vote yes for Israel, but US interests if a war with China were to start.