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| ▲ | scarface_74 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The Democrats loss fair and square. They should have spoken up a lot sooner. Everyone on the inside knew that Biden was incompetent. If they had a real primary would Kamala ever have been the nominee? The Democrats lost strongholds like Miami of all places. The dumbest thing they did was go against the tech industry who have always been their biggest supporters. Would Republicans go after Evangelical Christians or the NRA? They gave people no reason to support them. | | |
| ▲ | CryptoBanker 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To say that Miami was a democratic stronghold is not really accurate. They've leaned Democrat recently, but the margins haven't been that high, and they've been decreasing for a number of elections now. | |
| ▲ | ruthmarx 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The Democrats loss fair and square. Yes, because of how ignorant much of the population is, correlating lower grocery prices with whoever was in office at the time. > They gave people no reason to support them. Given how bad the alternative was they were the only rational choice. | | |
| ▲ | csomar an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > Yes, because of how ignorant much of the population is, correlating lower grocery prices with whoever was in office at the time. Get off your high horse. If you lose the election, you are the ignorant. The democrats lost because they over-estimated their hand and under-estimated the intelligence of the general populace. The democrats were in a position of power. The only thing you need to do is to not screw up. | | |
| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They lost because 49.9% of voters believed inflation would be decreased by tariffs and all the money FEMA spent on North Carolina was a lie. Among other things, this was very much a “we have a different truth to offer” election. |
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| ▲ | scarface_74 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So that was there whole platform - “we aren’t Trump”? Do you think the population got more ignorant in 4 years? This is all on the DNC and Biden. Biden should have either voluntarily not run or stronger Democrats should have had a primary and crucified him. The DNC lied to the American public for years. They knew that Biden wasn’t all there. They basically tried to do a “Weekend with Bernie” on them. Not to mention that strategically for the first time in modern history they had the new industry titans in their back pocket - BigTech - and threw them under the bus. The American population doesn’t care about going after BigTech like HN does. | | |
| ▲ | ruthmarx 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > So that was there whole platform - “we aren’t Trump”? No, but frankly if it was that should have been enough. > Do you think the population got more ignorant in 4 years? Yes, obviously. Or at least more ignorant people decided to vote this time. | | |
| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I long maintained that there should be a minimum level of 'something' required to vote. It used to be land, but anything that effectively makes one have a stake in the country would do. If possible, would you accept a restriction on the right to vote based on such a criterion? | |
| ▲ | scarface_74 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And this is why Democrats lose. They are completely out of touch with what the mainstream wants. Any other Democrat could have distanced themselves from Biden. But his own VP couldn’t. | | |
| ▲ | ruthmarx 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > And this is why Democrats lose. Democrats lose due to significant ignorance in the population and successful propaganda by hostile entities. It's not an accident that the reddest states at the least educated and least literate. If you doubt that I'm happy to support the claim, but I think we both know it's true. > They are completely out of touch with what the mainstream wants. Democrats are the only party actually offering to give the majority what they want, but due to ignorance and propaganda the majority have become emotionally hostile to the means necessary to accomplish implementing what they want. Despite Trump's promises that gullible desperate people fell for, his policies are likely to make things much harder for hid voters and not only not give them what they want, but give them what they explicitly don't want. Well, they'll still get bigoted policies, at least. > Any other Democrat could have distanced themselves from Biden. But his own VP couldn’t. There should have been no reason to. Trump is a rapist felon who literally advocated for injecting leach as a cure to a pandemic. That people voted for him at all shows just how bad things are. Democracy can't function with such a gullible population. At the least I have a front row ticket to the fall of a modern empire though. That's something. | | |
| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | << Democrats are the only party actually offering to give the majority what they want
<< Democracy can't function with such a gullible population. I am trying to be charitable in my interpretation, but you are not making it easy. One could easily argue that given that Trump won, majority got what they want already. Please tell me that you understand what I am telling you now. I did manage to hear some people drawing appropriate conclusions from this cycle, but I am not certain you did. << Trump is a rapist felon who literally advocated for injecting leach as a cure to a pandemic. Yeah.. a felony in this case being the equivalent of a parking ticket in business; not to mention national level politics. It is hard for me understand why people have a hard time grasping that and/or why this was not a useful label for this election cycle. Hell, the moves taken ( including mug shot ) did the exact opposite of the desired effect. << At the least I have a front row ticket to the fall of a modern empire though. That's something. Enjoy the ride man. It is gonna get wild. |
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| ▲ | misiti3780 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not sure why this is so complicated --- blame the DNC and party elites, not the population that voted for Trump. If the DNC was trying to win, they would have never let Biden run for re-election, and then they would have never let Harris become the candidate without a primary. The Democrats literally told the US population Trump was going to destroy democracy in America, and then created a situation that enabled him to win in a landslide. | | |
| ▲ | scarface_74 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Supporting your argument: From a left leaning publication https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/01/12/opinion/opinion-renee... And from the WSJ (I don’t know how the paywall bypass works. I pay for Apple News and read the entire article). The WSJ is right leaning when it comes to business. But I find it to be fair and not Trump worshipper https://www.wsj.com/opinion/bidens-bitterness-came-back-to-b... When it all comes down to it. Biden was no better than Trump. They both are old folks who put their own desires above what is best for the country. | | | |
| ▲ | krapp 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Democrats didn't lose because Harris didn't get a primary. Literally no one but Republicans who would never have voted for her to begin with cared about that. Democrats lost because they keep triangulating and trying to appeal to centrist Republicans who either don't exist, or would never vote for them regardless. If Harris had distinguished herself from Biden by taking a firm stance against the Palestinian genocide - which was the single issue much of her base cared about - she would have won. Also, Trump didn't win in a landslide. It was a close election, and Trump definitely won the popular vote, but the margins were still about 51% to 49%. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Democrats didn't lose because Harris didn't get a primary The point is Harris would have been replaced in a primary. Democrats needed a candidate who could call Biden out on his failures, namely, not taking inflation seriously (Manchin said so!) and completely flubbing it on the border. > If Harris had distinguished herself from Biden by taking a firm stance against the Palestinian genocide She would have lost worse in Pennsylvania and maybe picked up Michigan and had absolutely zero effect anywhere else because foreign policy wasn’t a material factor in this election. (It was a loud factor. But not in an electorally relevant way.) I get the impulse to do this. My pet war was Ukraine. But neither was actually voted on because Americans don’t tend to think about foreign policy unless we’re actually at (or about to go to) war ourselves. | |
| ▲ | dralley 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Democrats lost because they keep triangulating and trying to appeal to centrist Republicans who either don't exist, or would never vote for them regardless. If Harris had distinguished herself from Biden by taking a firm stance against the Palestinian genocide - which was the single issue much of her base cared about - she would have won. Everyone thinks that their one particular issue was the crucial one, but all the data shows that the issues that actually mattered were A) inflation and B) the border / immigration / crime / perception of disorder. The only two Dem Senators that underperformed Harris were Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The rest of the downballot had been running hard centrist on the border for much longer and with less baggage, and guess what, they did better. | |
| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | << The Democrats didn't lose because Harris didn't get a primary. I can't tell if this is some weird cope, satire or honest to goodness opinion. << It was a close election, and Trump definitely won the popular vote, but the margins were still about 51% to 49%. Just like the previous sentence fragment. Narrow facts are true, but manage to completely miss the picture. | |
| ▲ | scarface_74 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You realize that some of those Trump supporters voted for a Black man with a Muslim sounding name - twice? Kamala didn’t lose in Miami of all places because of her stance on Palestine. Nor did she lose every swing state for that reason. |
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