| ▲ | davedunkin a day ago |
| How can I get my Nissan Leaf to read this paper? Its range has dropped to 50% of new and a refurbished replacement pack cost 150% the value of the car, which is in otherwise excellent condition. It has only 70k miles. |
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| ▲ | hedora 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Leafs don’t have active battery management. As far as I know, they’re basically the only widely available EV in the US with this problem. Just replace the car, as much as that sucks. |
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| ▲ | rasz 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apparently Honda IMA (NiMH) 1 and 2nd gen not only lacks active thermal management, it also doesnt have any BALANCE management!?!?! 2006-2011 Honda Civic IMA battery repair WITHOUT buying new cells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGfQchiLtG8 Its almost like Japanese do it on purpose to push BS Hydrogen. | | |
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| ▲ | bdangubic a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| what is fascinating about your comment to me is thag the value of your car has dropped precisely because people fear battery issues. my friend had a 2015 Tesla S in pristine condition, just a ridiculous car. replaced the battery so now we have 50k miles new battery like-new Tesla S that he could not sell for more than $30k. wild stuff… even though most people don’t do it, on more expensive cars it actually makes serious financial sense to replace the battery but on cheaper cars it does not! |
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| ▲ | aprilthird2021 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Your friend's Tesla did not drop in resale value because of the battery. If anything a new battery would make those who fear battery degradation more willing to buy this used car. It dropped because Teslas in general have a high maintenance cost associated and a high insurance cost (because insurers also see it as costly to maintain). High maintenance cost tends to sink a car's resale value. I know the car does not need oil changes or have the possibility of various failure modes an ICE car has, but when it does have an issue, like a dent or a scrape, etc. the cost to repair is much higher. | | |
| ▲ | bdangubic 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | with all due respect every single reason you listed here is 100% wrong… I have had Tesla S 2014 for now over a decade - the cost of “maintenance” exactly $0.00. here’s what my costs have been (I have free supercharging so we can say this has been total cost of ownership) - new internal battery $220
- new modem when switch to “5G” was made - $250-ish
- new tires that is it. after 80k miles I am still on original brakes cause with regerative braking I seldom-to-never use the brake (as my wife would say if I use a brake on Tesla it is always followed by F-bomb at another driver) not sure who told you all these things but they are all 100% wrong - no exception | | |
| ▲ | aprilthird2021 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Please read this part of my comment: > but when it does have an issue, like a dent or a scrape, etc. the cost to repair is much higher. This is why insurance on Teslas is higher. It is not uncommon for bodywork on Teslas to be far more expensive than on other cars, and since bodywork is the majority of insurance claims, it factors in |
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| ▲ | cobri 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As of 11/13/2024, Consumer Reports rates Tesla as the lowest maintenance and repair costs over the first 10 years of ownership, not factoring in insurance or collision repair. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/the-cos... | | |
| ▲ | aprilthird2021 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | But you are not factoring in the exact things I'm talking about: insurance and collision repair, which are both higher on this make | |
| ▲ | thejazzman 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They didn't ask me about my $15k battery replacement that occurred the day after my warranty expired Doesn't much matter how good the cells are when the wires in the pack just magically corrode | | |
| ▲ | bdangubic 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | outliers always exist, you were dealt bad hands. I think also if you pushed hard you could have gotten this covered, just needs a whole lot of yelling and if that doesn’t work going social and trying to get some publicity behind it, especially if it was 1 DAY after warranty expired. I personally thinks it makes financial sense to get extended warranty for things like this, $15k used to be a price of a new car, getting a warranty to cover that past Tesla’s warranty I think makes financial sense. My wife recently bought pre-owned eTron and I made her get extended warranty after doing research online about maintenance costs on them |
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| ▲ | pcdoodle a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Since the Leaf has a smaller battery, it get's more wear and tear per trip. |
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| ▲ | Astronaut3315 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It also lacks active thermal management. That's more or less a requirement for long battery life. | | |
| ▲ | cowmix 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | THIS. The ARIYA is the first EV they've widely released (last year) with any active thermal management. I live in AZ, and all my friends with Leaf's all have had to have their batteries replaced at least once. All my Chevy based EV/PHEVs have had great battery life (so far) - knock on wood. | | |
| ▲ | davedunkin an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm also in AZ. What's surprising to me is I get slightly better range in the summer months. |
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| ▲ | BonoboIO a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think this is the answer.
That is also a problem for hybrid powers vehicles, the battery is small and it gets charged and discharged 0-100 / 100-0 very often, if you use the hybrid as intended. Some manufacturers limit this, but in a few years we will see a lot of hybrids that have batteries that barely work and will not deliver the expected ev only distance by a lot. | | |
| ▲ | teamonkey 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A lot of Toyota hybrids (but I believe not PHEVs) use NiMH batteries, which are longer lasting than the Li-ion batteries used in EVs and can withstand more charge cycles. | | |
| ▲ | omgwtfbyobbq 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | They last longer because they are treated gently compared to lithium packs in EVs (shallow/frequency cycles, lower charge/discharge rates, etc). When used in the same duty cycle, most lithium cells/packs should last longer than the same capacity NIMH cells/packs. | | |
| ▲ | teamonkey 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | They’re used on hybrids because they’re more longer-lasting than Li-ion for the duty cycle hybrids have. Li-ion is not universally better, but its energy density makes it better for EVs, and economies of scale mean that they’re becoming as cheap or cheaper than NiMH cells even if the hybrid duty cycle will make them degrade faster. |
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| ▲ | moepstar 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not only that, those small batteries do cost a disproportionate amount of money to replace. If you want a real world opinion, check the EVClinic blog… |
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| ▲ | dzhiurgis 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nissan probably did more damage to EV image than good. Even then it's NZs most popular used EV. |
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| ▲ | verisimi a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > a refurbished replacement pack cost 150% the value of the car When I researched evs, I couldn't make the economics make sense. 7 years for a car lifetime seems outrageous. |
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| ▲ | Tagbert a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Where do you get 7 years? That is not true of most EV. Even the worst ones, like the early Leafs did better than that. | |
| ▲ | vel0city 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The economics of that seems solid to me. If the battery is bad in year 7 it's replaced under warranty. |
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