| ▲ | AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of proved theorems(theguardian.com) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 146 points by bookofjoe 2 hours ago | 26 comments | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | hobo123 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The stuff about Gabelsberger shorthand sounds ludicrous to me. My father would write notes in a custom version of it until his death 2020. Officially (i.e. in schools teaching stenography, back in the day) it was long ago replaced by "unified German shorthand" (Deutsche Einheitskurzschrift IIRC), but he always considered Gabelsberger to be superior. Well, maybe he too was one of the 6 people in the world who could read it (or yes, maybe that was hyperbole, I'm not sure) :D | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | imbiased 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I can't remember the exact quote but I believe I read that Gödel confided to Einstein (in their walks in Princeton) on his deep worry of his work being forgotten. If only he knew. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | insane_dreamer 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Increasingly paranoid in his later years, he refused to eat food that was not cooked by his wife, and died of starvation in 1978 genius often comes with side effects | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ducttapecrown an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It'd be interesting to hear about these new 14 themes of logic Gödel pursued! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | semolinapudding an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This is incredibly exciting! Gödel is unquestionably the most important logician in history, but unfortunately he published very little. For instance, the Dialectica interpretation was published approximately 20 years after his first ideas on the subject. Plus, Jan von Plato is the world's leading expert on Gödel -- the number of people who can read Gödel's handwriting can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and I think that every single one is part of Jan von Plato's research group. If he is excited about the output, this is a huge deal. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | sheikhnbake an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This might be an actual concrete example of someone making themselves obsolete with AI. > Von Plato said he had started his Gödel project in 2017 because he was facing mandatory retirement from Helsinki University. “What should I do to make myself indispensable? Oh yes, I’ll start reading Gödel’s enigmatic shorthand pages!” He received a €2.5m (£2.1m) grant from the European Research Council, taught himself Gabelsberger shorthand – “I am one of only six people who can read it in the world” – and assembled a small team. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | alterom 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
"You don't get credit for the work you don't tell anybody about" This has been a problem long before Godel: famously, Newton tried to get credit for inventing Calculus only after Leibniz published his work, leading to a bitter dispute that lasted long after they both died. I wonder if this problem is now going to be significantly exacerbated by AI, as mathematicians are getting more incentives to keep their works secret — — or, to the contrary, the community will get a push to publish incomplete ideas, scratch work, etc. early to establish a record of thinking about a problem before others did. In the end, as always, it's a social problem created by " publish or perish " institutional incentives which reward (and require!) published results, but not the work that led to to them. This, I hope, will finally change. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | empath75 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
https://aitp-conference.org/2026/slides/JvP.pdf this seems to be slide deck with some of the results. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | 2aFds an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nice timing for the IPO. Cooked Nvidia numbers on the 17th are still missing, and the 19th will go well! The AI was of course trained on existing pre-AI transcriptions of Goedel's shorthand, which he was taught in school around 1920 and which was widespread and only technically "obsolete". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | cyanydeez an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think we'll find godel's most pungent critiques of modern logic & mathmatics to be the maddening limits of LLMs. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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