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| ▲ | iampims 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| That’s where top-up helps. Pay $100 once with the credit card, check the box “top-up $50 when available funds drop below $10”. Sure it’s a per-vendor setup, so you might need to do this for each 3rd party that requires payment, or use something like openrouter with a pool of funds. Probably simpler than setting up and using x402. |
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| ▲ | dvdkon 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This being per-vendor is the problem. I'm never going to pay in advance to use random websites, so in e.g. news this model leads to only a few big players getting paid. I'm even less inclined to put tens of dollars into something my agent thinks might be interesting, but I wouldn't be opposed to putting a dollar in a "browsing budget" for the day. | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | >I'm never going to pay in advance to use random websites Nobody is, which is exactly why x402 will never gain widespread adoption. |
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| ▲ | solyin 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > openrouter with a pool of funds. I mean, that's kinda what x402 is, no? I buy UDSC from Coinbase and then pay $0.05 to a site via AI and via x402. |
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| ▲ | infecto 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Depends on what the future looks like. I guess this could bring what I always wanted. Less paywalls and micro transactions. I still suspect for the braves of the world it makes little sense. There are <5 search api players. Now for a random new publication that has a paywall it sounds great, something with infrequent access or even 1 time. |
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| ▲ | origini 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Pay per visit"? I mean i pay a drink for a euro with a credit card. Whats the big business behind 'pay per visit'? |
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| ▲ | dvdkon 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The clearest example is news articles. I won't pay 1 euro to read one, but I would pay 1 cent, if I had a system that could facilitate that. | | |
| ▲ | cabusto 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I work for a company that has tried to make that happen, but there simply hasn't been enough people to do that, or enough publishers who want to go down that road. They prefer the predictable income. |
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| ▲ | stackghost 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To be frank: It's bloggers who don't want to run ads but think they are entitled to an income from their blogs, despite the fact that they know nobody will pay a subscription for the same content. | | |
| ▲ | solyin 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Substack seems to prove there is an audience for some blogger out there that's willing to pay money. Whether there's enough market for that on the open Internet remains to be seen. | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | The earnings distribution on Substack is almost certainly the same as on e.g. onlyfans: a small number of high-profile writers earn big bucks, a slightly-larger number of creators actually earn decent money but not enough to live on, and the vast majority essentially make nothing at all. | | |
| ▲ | tastyfreeze 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | How is that different than any other human endeavor? Not everybody that fancies themselves a writer is going to have the skill to draw an audience. Just because a few heavy hitters earn the most revenue doesn't mean the model is broken. That is just the way humans are for any given skill. | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | >How is that different than any other human endeavor? I don't think I understand what you're getting at. Unionized factory workers all get paid the same amount, modulo seniority and other factors, and there is no steep income gradient among auto workers because of this. Is that not a "human endeavor"? >Just because a few heavy hitters earn the most revenue doesn't mean the model is broken. The model is broken because the vast majority of blogs are trash. The writers are simply not entitled to be paid by the pageload, because the content is not worth paying for. The large earners are the exception that proves the rule. | | |
| ▲ | DangitBobby 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then people will just choose not to visit? What exactly is your objection? | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | My objection is that x402 expects that if I click on a random link from HN, I'll end up paying. Fuck that noise. I'm not paying before I have even had a chance to see what the content is. | | |
| ▲ | DangitBobby 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I would expect a content preview of some kind the same way they do paywalls now, except the way you resolve the paywall is via micro-payments instead of a subscription. | |
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