Bizzare. My self hosted email, which everyone told me was stupid to host myself has been sending and receiving just fine.

Of course I haven't received a single email because every important email is sent via Microsoft but I still feel superior because I'm not affected

▲ ozim a day ago | parent | next [-]

Receiving is easy for personal mail I would say I receive 99% of the time.

Sending out is harder but that 1% when I send something I need it delivered.

Hosting e-mail for friends and family is harder and mostly what I would call stupid.

	▲	haute_cuisine a day ago \| parent [-]
		The solution is to send via some transactional email provider (aka amazon ses).

▲ UqWBcuFx6NV4r a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just don’t tell us how many nines you have, hey?

▲ Gud a day ago | parent | next [-]

It is not difficult to keep a mail server online.

FreeBSD(ZFS+jails old but gold) + postfix + dovecot.

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BSDobelix a day ago | parent | next [-]

Ha nearly the same setup here, FreeBSD/ZFS/opensmtp/dovecot/rspamd

And yes uptime (with short outages(updates etc)) is not that important for a mail-server, since the sender re-transfers in intervals (mine is 5min the 8 then 15 then 60 then 180 then something up to 2days)

So the uptime for the service is 100% (maybe 99.999) over the last 8 years.

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newsclues a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Mail servers are easy, getting the other mail servers (Microsoft,Gmail,etc) to play nice with yours is harder.

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BSDobelix a day ago | parent | next [-]

Not that hard, for example thats a good tester:

https://mail-tester.com/

and

https://mecsa.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ (offline atm Azure??)

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proton_9 a day ago | parent [-]

Getting a clean ip is hard. I have my personal email server setup and had to get it off of some black lists maintained by baracuda. Although i agree personal self hosted email is fairly straightforward and ideally more people should do it. Hetzner provides cheap and reliable vms.

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eddythompson80 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Reliable is a flexible word. Hetzner does frequent, albeit often brief, maintenance operations that would incur a down time on a high-throughput live service. Not impossible to design around with enough redundancies, but far from "I have one FreeBSD box that's been up for 467 days with 100% uptime" that people used to brag about in the early 2000s. I have few VPSs and bare metal instances that I just `sudo reboot` when there is a kernel update with practically "zero" impact or downtime for myself. Something unimaginable to do in a production system where you need to cordon, traffic drain, update, reboot, uncordon then orchestrate that across an entire fleet of instances with different roles and characteristics in a specific order.

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Gud a day ago | parent [-]

Not relevant for a self hosted mail server..

	▲	eddythompson80 a day ago \| parent [-]
		Isn’t that what I said?

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BSDobelix a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>Hetzner provides cheap and reliable vms.

True, i have some hetzner (not vm's but metal), and Vultr (just vm's), i just had one bad IP until now (i just changed it instead of trying to get it removed from a blacklist)

	▲	proton_9 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I should've perhaps done that, but i got an additional static ip from them which i pay for so i thought it would've been a good one, then getting off of the blacklist was easy once you have dmarc and dkim and spf. So i kept it.

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Gud a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I found it to be fairly easy to be honest.

▲ weird-eye-issue a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Uptime is not the hard part for self hosting email.

▲ muppetman 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

  root@mail  ~  uptime
 11:57:30 up 2114 days,  4:36,  2 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.26, 0.61

▲ MrCzar a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, I can't speak for him but I also run a small server and I think I just beat MS365 in nines because of this outage.

	▲	wtch98 a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		My phone has had a higher uptime than MS365 over the period from the last major 365 outage to this one, and that includes turning it off at the theatre
	▲	sandworm101 a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		My non-mirrored Synology NAS full of movies just beat MS365.

▲ sznio a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

infinitely many, so far...

▲ wtch98 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Every time the cloud koolaid come in to defend the latest drop of a SAAS system from 99.9 to 99% they seem to think it's impossible to run a self hosted service with a better uptime.

It's not, it's easy. We've been doing this stuff for years.

Doing it at billion user scale is hard. You are not google.

	▲	olyjohn 21 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Maybe trying to do it at billion user scale isn't such a great idea after all.

▲ ericmay a day ago | parent | prev [-]

My iCloud email account is working just fine too. Security through obscurity ;)