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▲ throw310822 a day ago

> and lost trust in him.

I don't think this has anything to do with trust. It's absurd not to trust Huang as the best possible CEO for the company that he brought from zero to 5 trillion dollars in value. It's about being afraid of public opinion, and especially fear of being blamed for not taking the expected decision.

▲coderenegade a day ago | parent | next [-]

He's clearly not the best CEO for the company if his leadership has opened them up to a tonne of liability. The thing with Powell is problematic enough on its own, and yet it looks like a misdemeanor compared to the fact that he was sleeping with a Chinese spy and potentially knowingly sold chips to China in the face of a US-government-imposed ban. I just don't see why this is so hard. The best guy for the job is the one who doesn't risk the company and investor's money by overstepping into the geopolitical arena because he wants to poke some strange.

▲DoesntMatter22 a day ago | parent [-]

Probably still the best fit even if it costs the company billions.

▲coderenegade a day ago | parent [-]

Given that a third woman (another coworker) has just been alleged, I'd say that Jensen was the best fit in a few other ways too. I'd be furious if I were an investor.

▲xp84 a day ago | parent [-]

Furious investor here. Lol. But I'm just as furious with Huang as with the board for firing him.

But it seems especially goofy because it appears it's only about the non-Chinese affairs, since the timeline suggests he was in the clear until the second one came out.

Does anyone here think that sleeping with a billionaire CEO is something that these successful, executive-level women were actually coerced into? That's the fear run-of-the-mill "boss sleeping with subordinates" harassment suits are (usually justifiably) about. That the subordinate was either pressured into the arrangement in the first place, or that she at some point would have wished to stop, but would credibly fear retaliation and thus be coerced to continue.

I'm trying to imagine concretely what that could have possibly been like. Somehow I don't think he could be that desperate to be with a specific woman who didn't want him, that he would threaten an executive to get her into bed, nor to be so obsessed with keeping the affair going that he would even think of threatening revenge against someone who, by definition, obviously had the ability to ruin his life just by opening her mouth. The women held all the power over him, as evidenced by the fact that they just used that power to end his career.

▲DoesntMatter22 a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think they ousted him because they figure there will be many more affairs, and it'll just bring extra heat on the company for the forseable future.

▲coderenegade a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not about whether or not they were coerced, it's about the complications that it brings to the table. Has anyone he was sleeping with been promoted? Did the fact that they were sleeping with him compromise the validity of that process? Is he vulnerable to current or previous sexual partners (coercion goes both ways)? Is he vulnerable to people who weren't sleeping with him but knew about his affairs?

Remember, this a guy who shepherds a multitrillion dollar company. He needs to be able to demonstrate good judgement, and that generally means not screwing the crew, or Chinese spies.

▲user_7832 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, I'm wondering this too. Jensen's damn good at his job, love him or hate him. I genuinely am struggling to understand why they'd remove him unless there's more they know that we don't.

▲throw310822 a day ago | parent | next [-]

> there's more they know that we don't

They know that media and politicians were asking for his head, and that it was riskier for their own asses to resist than to concede. It's that simple.

▲oytis a day ago | parent [-]

> riskier for their own asses to resist than to concede.

I dunno, I bet the stocks would recover from the affair in less than a month. That they will recover from losing Huang as the CEO is less certain.

▲fer a day ago | parent [-]

Exactly my thoughts. You put a typical corporate type ahead of NVIDIA and we'd manage to see AMD get ahead of them in datacenters.

▲collabs a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think there is anything more to it than self preservation. All humans and I'd say living beings are good at it.

This is why martyrs are so praised. You have to overcome this instinct of self preservation to give up your life. I suspect most people can't do it in the heat of the moment.

Basically what others have said, it doesn't matter if Jensen is good at his job or even if nVidia prospers under Jensen. I don't think the board members care one lick about that. What matters to them is their own self interest and it takes a lot of experience to realize that executive leadership and even the board does not instinctively value the goals of the organization above their own self interest. I submit this is true because of the massive amount of bribing err I mean incentive alignment that the organization gives in terms of like stock options or bonuses for meeting certain targets.

▲officeplant a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Jensen's damn good at his job, love him or hate him.

He can barely stay coherent to reality during interviews and on stage. Especially when the AI generated slides don't make sense.

▲coderenegade a day ago | parent [-]

To be fair, he evidently pulls a lot of late nights putting his body on the line for the company. It's exhausting, back-breaking work.

▲internet2000 a day ago | parent [-]

That's bad leadership.

▲coderenegade a day ago | parent [-]

I mean that goes without saying given that I was referring to his sexual escapades with coworkers and an alleged spy. Absolutely none of this is good leadership. The guy has to go testify before Congress, and that's probably only the beginning.

▲booty a day ago | parent | prev [-]

He got honeypotted by a rival superpower and appears to have actively helped to circumvent national security concerns and export controls to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.

My god, how much more spectacular could his mistakes be? Does he have to eat a baby live on TikTok while proclaiming "transistors are dead, we're going back to vacuum tubes" or something?

There are very few human beings in history who could have taken nVidia from zero to megatrillions like he did, but the idea of him continuing to run the company after this is absolute absurdity.

▲DeluluDon a day ago | parent | next [-]

I wouldn't give people like that any ideas

▲saidnooneever a day ago | parent | prev [-]

if you think getting powned by chinese intelligence is 'stupid mistakes' you are extremely missinformed about the lengths they will go through and the resources they will deploy.

▲booty a day ago | parent [-]

look at you over here all WOOO CHINA NATIONSTATE SUPERPOWERS WOOO RESOURCES WOO

it took a vagina. it literally just took a vagina.

▲saidnooneever a day ago | parent [-]

you really dont understand or know how such a placement works. They can very easily do it to you regardless of how paranoid you are.

everyone can be fished.

the simple fact China had to deploy an operative to get yo him means he and Nvidia are well secured. its an expensive and risky option, not the first by far and intelligence agency would take to get to someone.

go shout in all caps in call of duty -_-

▲booty a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He produced a one-in-a-zillion success, and he certainly did it the hard way -- he was apparently unusually hands on. The word "genius" gets thrown around a lot, but I think it's apt.

But.

He put together a string of frankly insane mistakes that are now endangering that 5 trillion dollar company from both the inside and outside. There's no chance in hell that they're going to go from $5T back to 0, but you are not understanding the trouble they're in.

Internally, boinking your direct reports (who also happened to have a string of recent promotions) is incredibly ruinous to a company's internal culture, destroying notions of internal meritocracy. How would you feel if all your hard work was apparently not as important as putting out for the CEO? Do you think that would make you eager to do your best work for that CEO? And that's even before thinking about the insane legal liability.

Externally, he got honeypotted by a foreign government and managed to simultaneously mess with national security and, it seems, circumvent export controls to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. nVidia is in some extremely serious shit, and will have the government breathing down their necks between now and the end of time.

▲bluegatty a day ago | parent [-]

I think his unfair, and much of it not true.

Jensen is actually extremely well respected by his staff and has the highest staff approvals in almost all of tech.

I'm certain that his personal foibles won't engender him any love, but it's not unheard of.

Elon Musk has had sexual relations with at least 4 staffers, children with one - while he was having children with his wife.

Where's the scandal?

"he got honeypotted by a foreign government and managed "

Where is the evidence of this? Give me one specific allegation?

His mistress was passing information to the government, ok, as will many nationals that have met with him, and as US nationals often do as well.

Elon is in direct contact with Putin several times a year since 2022 - and there's no good reason for that.

Consider putting all of that in context vis-a-vis much of the rest of corporate America and consider the rest of his contributions.

Obviously it's fair to bring all of this up, but it's intensely hypocritical for the most part.

▲internet2000 a day ago | parent | next [-]

I'm puzzled that so many Huang defenders point at Musk.

The bar shouldn't be Musk!!

▲bluegatty a day ago | parent [-]

How are you puzzled that people point out the radical hypocrisy?

Musk is 'below the bar'.

Jensen is 'just at the bar' for this maybe slightly above.

I'm not condoning, I'm contextualizing.

He didn't do anything wrong or illegal (that we know of), other than breach of trust with his wife.

This media around this is crazy and slanderous.

All of the press is screaming about 'affair with spy and possibly secrets' , which is very unfair.

She's not a 'spy' - she's a hustler looking to make money by reselling GPUs, and she's 'talking to the Chinese government' as literally they are all compelled to do.

Are Jensen and Elon 'spies' because they talk to the State Dept. and US Gov all the time about goings on in China?

In an ideal world - we would have to contend with Jensen's actions, but I'm doubtful he'd be nerfed for personal foibles, which are not material or public concern.

Assuming that he did not hand over key secrets or information, which I highly doubt and which there are no specific allegations, this is a media / meme wave, completely out of context.

The only saving grace in this, is that the Nvidia board may be friendly to him, in which case, maybe they 'know something' that is not public, and this is the 'nice way out' but even then I'm doubtful.

▲jnaina a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Let’s be honest here. Musk gets latitude because he’s white. A non-white CEO behaving the same way wouldn’t get the same benefit of the doubt, however accomplished or respected they are.

Nobody says it openly, but anyone who has operated in Western corporate circles knows it.

▲bluegatty 19 hours ago | parent [-]

That's true but only slightly true - and the evidence is that rappers can get away with absolutely horrific behaviour that other musicians cannot 'because the culture'. Kaney just set records for his concerts after releasing 'Hail Hitler' album for gosh sakes.

Elon has normalized his bad behaviour and he controls the board - there's no 'smoke that can make a fire' around him as long as the companies are doing ok. He also aggressively threatens people and very few will speak out against him.

There might be a tinge of racism with the 'honey pot' stuff, and 'chinese spy' has hints of orientalism as well. The headlines are really leaning in to the 'Asian Sex Spy' stuff which is terrible. And I've see posts with rich guys and their Asian wives - not nice.

Fair point, but I don't think it's only partially the case.

▲WillPostForFood a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Give me one specific allegation

https://archive.ph/c4kmF

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Next to the Nvidia chief was a woman named Huang Le, or Alice Huang, an executive of a Singapore-based data center company called Megaspeed, which was poised to buy $2 billion of Nvidia A.I. technology over the next year. Though Ms. Huang and Megaspeed are little-known players in the A.I. industry, their association with Nvidia and its chief executive has recently become a preoccupation in Washington.

Commerce Department officials have been investigating whether Megaspeed, which has close ties to Chinese tech firms, is helping companies in China sidestep American export restrictions, according to more than a half dozen current and former officials and other people familiar with the companies, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an examination that is not public.

The inquiry, which is active, calls into question how closely Nvidia is tracking where its A.I. chips end up and highlights the possibility of American export laws easily being sidestepped. Megaspeed is also facing scrutiny from Singaporean police, who told The New York Times in a statement that they are investigating the company for breaching local laws, without elaborating further.

▲bluegatty a day ago | parent [-]

There are no allegations against Nvidia there.

It's absurd to suggest that Nvidia would need to secretly ship a handful of chips to some sketchy actor when Nvidia chips have a a mile a line long for sales.

Jensen can sell his inventory 10x over. You have to have buying power just to get a hold of them.

Anything is possible but it would be extra stupid for one of the smartest people in the world to risk everything for literally no reason at all.

▲tsimionescu 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It's absurd to suggest that Nvidia would need to secretly ship a handful of chips to some sketchy actor when Nvidia chips have a a mile a line long for sales.

Consider the opposite possibility - that they were doing this and this this might prove that the "mile long line" for sales is in fact not as long as it looks from the outside.

▲scrtm a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>Anything is possible but it would be extra stupid for one of the smartest people in the world to risk everything for literally no reason at all.

a story as old as time

▲bluegatty a day ago | parent [-]

Fair enough - but there are zero specific allegations against him in terms of national security.

His mistress was talking to the Chines government - literally as all people over there are compelled to do - and - was hustling Nvidia chips - as thousands of people are doing.

The idea that Nvidia would knowingly help people do something bad would require some material evidence before it could be a headline.

▲joering2 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you missed the point. An average person may hold their alcohol and operate, but we don't approve cops being drunk on the job.

Huang betrayed 38 years of trust his wife put into him and recently betrayed the Board by lying to them. That's already admitted, no ifs or buts. He clearly had reasons, as he is a sane person. His reasons were romantic engagement with (alleged) spy. Since he is a sane person, he must have weighed pros and cons and still engage in an affair, even though it jeopardized his marriage and his job. The Board needs to do bunch of "what ifs" in such situation, including paranoid ones, such as "what if this woman had such access to NVIDIA tech stack that each cheap is infused with some form of Chinese virus". We simply don't know how far this goes, but this firing certainly shows much further than just a consequence of a romantic fling.

▲RajT88 a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Since he is a sane person, he must have weighed pros and cons and still engage in an affair, even though it jeopardized his marriage and his job.

Sane people still make irrational decisions.

It's one of the weird dichotomies of our species.

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▲zapkyeskrill a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Or well thought out ones, that everyone views as irrational. Who can tell .. can't expect a cheater to be honest

▲tosapple a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲swiftcoder a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Also worth noting that in the event his wife doesn't stand by him, this immediately becomes the second largest divorce settlement in history (behind only Bill and Melinda Gates). That's not the kind of headlines the PR department is love with either.