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| ▲ | cozzyd a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I mean, they made us take down our departmental run email (presumably postfix) and forced us to make them aliases to university-wide exchange (with crappy support for open source mail clients no less). So I don't think my org is Innocent here... |
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| ▲ | NoPicklez a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Of course they're innocent, but many business also can't afford nor want to employ people to host something like an email service for them. I'd rather Microsoft host it for me than have to maintain a team of people with Microsoft Exchange skills running either on a cloud environment (similar issues) or on my own infrastructure. I for one don't miss the days of Exchange going offline or having issues and being the person having to try figure it out. Microsoft has much better reliability than MOST companies. |
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| ▲ | azalemeth a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's a very painful lesson in "the cloud is just someone else's computer" to a crowd that normally are exposed to ideas like "software and IT are not our core competency" |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv a day ago | parent | next [-] | | When your system is down once a decade your boss yells and it’s your fault When your outsourced system to Microsoft goes down every few months your boss can’t yell at you Outsourcing is about shifting blame elsewhere | |
| ▲ | antonvs a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The idea is that it's someone else's computers that are managed more comprehensively than you could reasonably do yourself. But if you choose Microsoft to provide such a service for you, I don't know what to tell you. | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW a day ago | parent [-] | | The truth is they are still managed better than most can reasonably so themselves. | | |
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| ▲ | bawolff a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which is why service level agreements were invented. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a shame there isn't a well-standardized, free and open protocol for delivering email that could be run on inexpensive modestly provisioned hardware. |
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| ▲ | fock a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| their bosses decided for the cloud and they pretended not to care! |
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| ▲ | TaLiTr a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If your system keeps people alive by relying on 100% Microsoft uptime, maybe they deserve some blame? |
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| ▲ | joseda-hg a day ago | parent | next [-] | | They do government and medical infra, those systems should be resilient but... | |
| ▲ | LoganDark a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Absolutely. | |
| ▲ | jjice a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I like to dogpile on M$ as much as the next guy, but this feels like a heavy strawman. > I dislike Microsoft as much as the next guy, but many businesses impacted by these outages are completely innocent and don't deserve these consequences. At no point is "keeping people alive" mentioned. Businesses use email for everything. Businesses usually don't care about where their email server is hosted. They just want to send emails. They shouldn't have to care either. I don't put blame on a business that happened to choose Outlook, one of the largest email providers, to host their email. | | |
| ▲ | boomlinde a day ago | parent [-] | | > Businesses usually don't care about where their email server is hosted. Deeply irresponsible. > They shouldn't have to care either. According to what realistic principle? |
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| ▲ | Detrytus a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | To be honest, Microsoft has much better chance of actually achieving that (almost) 100% uptime than your company's own IT department self-hosting things. | | |
| ▲ | boomlinde 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If the self-hosted email infrastructure goes down, roughly one company is deeply affected. When Microsoft's server goes, entire industries and governments will simultaneously be unable to conduct business as usual. From the individual's perspective Microsoft might seem like the better choice if they can achieve higher availability, but the societal cost is so much greater when the one basket you've put all your eggs in breaks, even if everyone holding their own egg on average results in more broken eggs per year. | |
| ▲ | 6031769 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Github would like a word. |
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