| ▲ | rcr-anti 5 hours ago |
| It is baffling to read comments that this is excusable or he should be retained 'in interest of the shareholders'. Setting aside the obviously poor judgement, the appearance of impropriety has serious ammunition behind a situation that already looked weird. More practically, he's compromised now. Whether it's further scandal or the impending criminal investigations, there might be further hooks people have on him. The quote about succession planning is also a little out of context, he phrased it more that there should be continual information and responsibility sharing such that succession planning is effectively redundant or unnecessary. I always wondered why investors were ok with not having any control due to dual structure shares and board composition. A "Great Men" theory of the world is a convenient and satisfying narrative, but it's usually not the best at explaining things. As the saying goes, "The cemeteries are full of indispensable men". |
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| ▲ | quentindanjou 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| A lot of people here hold NVDA shares, so there is a lot of conflict of interest in the comments. |
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| ▲ | torginus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Which is exactly the right attitude to have. He's not a hollywood celeb, nor is he even a politician. He was involved in a private scandal, that doesn't compromise his ability to lead a company to profitability, no matter what I think of him a a person. The market has reacted this way for a reason - Nvidia share prices fell a lot over the past few days. If the espionage probe was serious (and it was known about in intelligence circles going back as much as a year), it would be handle much differently, with charges brought agains him or his company being sanctioned. | | |
| ▲ | drakythe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Person A having an affair with Person B when Person B is a direct report or directly within Person A's power in the company is a disqualification for leadership. Full stop. It is an abuse and shows that Person A is willing to abuse their position for personal gain. They cannot be trusted any longer. | | |
| ▲ | csallen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm not saying I disagree, but you should be aware that it's just an opinion. You're stating it as if it's some sort of objective fact. Many people could just say the exact opposite of your sentence, i.e. "not a disqualification" and "can still be trusted". Furthermore, These people could supply many historical examples of leaders who did similar things and went on to remain great/effective leaders of the things they were charged to lead. | | |
| ▲ | enraged_camel an hour ago | parent [-] | | >> You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm not saying I disagree, but you should be aware that it's just an opinion. You're stating it as if it's some sort of objective fact. It may not be a fact per se, but in the United States it is widely agreed upon that romantic relationships with subordinates is a big no-no from an ethics perspective (due to power dynamics and high potential for abuse), in addition to being a serious liability for the company. | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW an hour ago | parent [-] | | Exactly how would this constitute a “serious liability” for the company? | | |
| ▲ | drakythe 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | When a manager has a romantic relationship with a subordinate they could, theoretically, show that employee favortism and/or make their work life miserable. Now any promotion or raise or privilege or punishment the employee receives is under scrutiny. Did the Manager have any say in it? Was another employee dismissed out of hand for the position because they passed on the manager's advances? All of this is a problem when the romantic relationship is known and on the level, when its an affair it is VERY problematic. The employees involved in the affair may sue for retaliation due to some circumstance, or another employee may sue because they feel they were passed over for a promotion or position. Others might have suspected something and been made to feel their job was in danger if they asked questions. |
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| ▲ | voxl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is moral grandstanding with no substance. | | | |
| ▲ | Panoramix 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh, like Bill Clinton? | | |
| ▲ | drakythe 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, like Bill Clinton. Also irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Another powerful person wasn't punished while the woman he took advantage of was. That doesn't make this okay. It is a thing that happened and that we should strive to eliminate. | |
| ▲ | LetsGetTechnicl 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The one who was impeached? | | |
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| ▲ | afavour an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > If the espionage probe was serious (and it was known about in intelligence circles going back as much as a year), it would be handle much differently, with charges brought agains him or his company being sanctioned. My pet theory about why it was leaked is because the very serious reports were sent to the White House and they then did absolutely nothing about it. Just because this, wildly corrupt, current administration has not brought charges does not mean it won't happen in the future. | |
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| ▲ | mcmcmc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The current DOJ is not a serious organization, so them not pursuing charges doesn’t really say anything It’s also absurd that you’d think this is totally fine when the smart shareholders will be suing Nvidia for their malfeasance in evading export controls and incompetence in making sure their CEO doesn’t violate sexual harassment laws | |
| ▲ | robrain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > with charges brought agains him or his company being sanctioned. With a sane administration that hadn't possibly looked the other way due to emoluments (allegedly), maybe. Who knows what the response will be from the current mob (gentle pun intended). | |
| ▲ | eatsyourtacos 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Spoken like someone who puts all his eggs in something he has no control over. It's crazy how oblivious you are to this insane situation "investing" has become in this country. It's gambling. You don't control anything. You just hope for the best. It's all a house of cards. |
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| ▲ | eldenring 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I dont understand this argument, its either a shareholder concern or a criminal concern? a "conflict of interest" is a term used when a 3rd party needs to be unbiased ex government or law. You wouldn't say its a conflict of interest if your favourite sports team trades their best player | | | |
| ▲ | doublepg23 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, doesn't basically everyone with a 401k? | | | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | mahboi an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | We're taught in school that ad hominem is a logical fallacy, but you know, sometimes it's not. If someone holds NVDA, nothing out of their mouth about NVDA matters to me. Even if they're stating a fact, cool, I can find those from someone else. Now, if they're willing to buy NVDA after the news, totally different story. |
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| ▲ | dozerly 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People have a lot of net worth tied into the economy. Nvidia is a lynchpin in the economy. People are biased towards keeping their net worth up. It’s not that deep, people want the tendies to continue printing. |
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| ▲ | eatsyourtacos 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah it is that deep. The second money is involved so many people are willing to look the other way. If you don't see an issue with that then you are clearly part of the problem. |
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| ▲ | stetrain 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I find it interesting to see so much blame being directed at the act of removing one person who may have been holding up trillions of value in the stock market, rather than at the market and industry conditions that led to so much value being supported by one person in the first place. |
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| ▲ | retwakm4 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I agree. I certainly don't believe in the efficient markets hypothesis. HN AI glazers certainly do though. |
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| ▲ | whalesalad 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One of the greatest fallacies of modern times is that people are not human. There is this expectation that people will be perfect and flawless and make zero mistakes. That is incongruent with human nature. The dude had two consensual relationships outside his marriage. To err is human... this is all so overblown. Meanwhile we have a felon in the white house (sexual assault) among an immeasurable number of other supposed crimes |
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| ▲ | Starman_Jones 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This isn’t a unique situation. When your error is sleeping with a subordinate, you get fired. That’s universally true in the corporate world. No reason this should be any different from the countless times it’s happened before. |
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| ▲ | Andrex 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This guy had a cult of personality I did not know about until this comment thread. "He created so much shareholder value." "Unlike Elon he shared the wealth with the company." "The US is worse off without him." I'm sorry but a patsy who is this gullible, or a CCP-friendly traitor that is this slimy (the jury is still out), should not be in this position of power. Cool for all he accomplished so far. This isn't a situation that deserves a second chance. |
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| ▲ | sneak an hour ago | parent [-] | | Not everyone believes in the idea of nations or national security. I don’t care one whit who he sells chips to, or who he’s fucking when he’s not selling those chips. The US government’s geopolitical agenda is not my geopolitical agenda. That isn’t immoral, it’s normal and reasonable. | | |
| ▲ | mahboi an hour ago | parent [-] | | I only care that Nvidia gets to do this while nobody else can. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > baffling to read comments that this is excusable or he should be retained 'in interest of the shareholders' If you want Exhibit A for the moral corruption of Silicon Valley’s culture, this is it. And it’s not tied to shareholdings. It’s the quasi-monarchic strain of worship that has been poisoning Valley culture for at least a decade now. |
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| ▲ | ngruhn 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean the guy had an affair. Or two. Or more. Not cool and that one turned out to be a Chinese spy makes it quite impactful. But from a pure "moral corruption" standpoint this is not worse than your average college frat house. | | |
| ▲ | mahboi an hour ago | parent [-] | | The affair(s) were tied to skirting export bans. The moral corruption is bigger than Nvidia because it seems Trump administration was involved. Laws shouldn't be applied selectively like this. |
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| ▲ | locallost 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What's really inexcusable about it? It might be part of the standard US corporate culture, but still idiotic. |
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| ▲ | lowbloodsugar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Appearance of impropriety". Fuck all you puritans. Ah yes. Being gay disqualified you from security clearance. Why? Because if you are gay, then you can be blackmailed. Why? Because you might lose your security clearance. |
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| ▲ | tomjen3 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| A company is not required to maintain a look of propriety. A company is not required to not look fishy. A company is not required to care how it is observed by the public at large. It is required only to maximize shareholder value. There is no doubt that his sexscapades were stupid, but at the same time there is only one question that should matter for the board. Will the shareholders make more money with him or without? |
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| ▲ | csh0 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | “Modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not.”[0] Supreme Court disagrees that a company is required “only required to maximize shareholder value”, do you have any evidence to support your claim otherwise? [0]https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/13-354.ht... | | |
| ▲ | SaucyWrong 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This person does not have any evidence to support their claim. The notion that shareholder primacy is enshrined in settled law (when in fact, as you point out, the opposite is true) is widely believed in the HN comments pages. | | |
| ▲ | gtirloni 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a simple concept to understand so pick stick to it as being the truth. |
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| ▲ | hirako2000 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Within the constraints of the law is my understanding. |
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| ▲ | criddell 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > There is no doubt that his sexscapades were stupid Sure, but his selling into China might be criminal. Or would you also excuse criminal behavior that's profitable? | | |
| ▲ | therealdrag0 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe the board knows more than we do, but so far there is no public substantiation of these points. Obviously if he’s convicted, he can’t be CEO from jail, but why make company decisions a day after a new story broke? | | |
| ▲ | criddell 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Of course the board knows more then you and me. | | |
| ▲ | therealdrag0 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, of course they know more in the banal absolute sense. But do they know more material information that we would all agree makes this not a hysterical witch hunt I don’t think we can be so confident about that. Even if their information comes from American security personnel that should still be taken with the grain of salt. We all remember Iraq, don’t we? | | |
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| ▲ | bluefirebrand 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > there is only one question that should matter for the board. Will the shareholders make more money with him or without? I think "can we trust this person to act in the best interests of this company?" is a more accurate question I don't think these scandals are in NVidias best interest, and the hits the share value have taken seem to support that | |
| ▲ | deaton 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Shareholder primacy at the expense of everything else is a ridiculous and relatively new idea. There is no reason that it has to be that way other than that Milton Friedman thought it was a good optimization problem. |
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