Looks like it's the same price as Argon on openrouter, which is good to see. Probably was announced already somewhere that I missed.

It's interesting that Opencode Go got Argon, I'm hoping they'll get Carbon as well. They claim that Argon is ZDR on their platform. That's surprising to me because openrouter doesn't have ZDR endpoints for Google's models any more, due to a change in policy.

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BeetleB an hour ago | parent [-]

I wish they would either reduce the price of Argon, or provide a "weaker" model at a decent price.

At my work, Argon is deemed to be too expensive, and gemini-3.8 flash is just not good enough.

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bscphil an hour ago | parent [-]

Deepseek is good enough for me that I use it for everything cost sensitive. I tend to switch to Google's models for world knowledge, planning, and complicated bugs that Deepseek gets stuck on. Argon is also a great writer in my experience, hopefully Carbon is the same. Seems like RL for code generation ruins most model's communication abilities. V4.1 Flash 1017 is a significant step back from the previous Deepseek model in that respect, despite being a noticeably better coder.

	▲	altmanaltman 31 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Seems like RL for code generation ruins most model's communication abilities. Just like human beings