Just checked my Gemini app, still only have 3.1 Pro, 3.6 Flash and 3.6 Thinking on Pro. Looks like it's Ultra only.

They've been so slow to update their top models and roll them out that despite subscribing to the Gemini Pro plan, I use it so rarely that this is my last month. That and their product offering was so confusing I basically gave up.

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Murrawhip an hour ago | parent | next [-]

My Google Workspace Gemini (with "AI Expanded Access") has 3.6 Flash, 3.8 Thinking, 4 Carbon.

My personal "AI Pro" Gemini has 3.5 Flash-Lite, 3.8 Flash, 3.1 Pro, 4 Argon.

Pretty inconsistent.

	▲	htrp 36 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		This is the GoogleWay

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deanc 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I say the same thing on every thread. For 23e a month on ChatGPT I get access to the top models, almost always day one. I might not get a huge amount of usage but I get to use the flagship and try things out. On AI plus for the same price I get basically nothing, and models that are 6-9 months old. I don't understand why google is not using their size and leverage to get these models into consumers, with a useful harness and take market share.

	▲	pkulak 22 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It's not their business. Anthropic and OpenAI don't have millions of phones in the wild blasting the ever-loving hell out of Luna or Haiku to create timers and search contacts. They probably made Carbon just to help distill the next Gemini Flash. They are fine letting a _few_ people use it, maybe, but I bet they are also fine if no one does. Worst case for them is probably a bunch of $20 subs building things with their top model and taking compute away from Pixel 11 calendar searches or google.com "summaries".

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spankalee 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have Carbon in VS Code and the Antigravity CLI.

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eitally an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I pay for Ultra and have been using Argon for a couple weeks. I just checked in both Agy and Gemini and Carbon is there for me now, too. I'll try it, but Argon is itself already so slow that I'm not sure Carbon will make sense for most activities.

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spockz an hour ago | parent [-]

On pro here and I can do about 2 design tasks a week before I hit usage limits with Argon. The usage limit with carbon is probably gone just loading the context.

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eitally 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I've been using Argon (Medium) pretty heavily the past couple of weeks to create a website and an app and am not coming close to my Ultra limits. I've used High for a couple of code reviews and security audits.

I'm not sure if I'm a sucker for paying $100/mo for this, and Google's harnesses are so underwhelming compared to Claude Code, but I'm not having a bad experience. Compared to the beginning of the year when Antigravity was almost unusable and Gemini Pro 3.1 was noticeably behind other options.

	▲	spyckie2 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Argon is slow but surprisingly my progress is noticeably faster. If you aren’t prompting extra ambitiously with top tier models, you should probably just use deep seek. Not quite at the build me a whole app level but you need to definitely zoom out a few times and prompt from either a feature set or many overlapping details at once.

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rpdillon 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Yep, I'm on Pro as well, and Argon been hugely useful, but I get about 10 prompts with it a week. And that means that I have to use 3.8 flash for most of what I'm doing, which is obviously not a great experience for any kind of long horizon tasks.

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theanonymousone an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same. On PLUS subscription. One of those situations where you really want a human to talk to..

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wasabi991011 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

When's the last time you checked what is offered by the plus subscription? It's been a while now that it's the equivalent to ChatGPT Go (on price and offer), giving only increased limits but no difference in model access compared to free.

	▲	david-gpu 11 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		When I switched from the Pro to the Plus subscription, they did not state anything to that effect. I expected a smaller quota of their most recent flash models, and instead I got models that are so old they are useless to me, so I canceled the subscription. It is the lack of transparency that gets me. With PAYG open-weight models, I know exactly what I get for my money.

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Topfi 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is something to be said about the fact that Google tomorrow could release the greatest performing, most efficient, comprehensively capable LLM of all times and even if you are a paying customer of theirs, you could not access it across their interfaces. Not even going to mention the announcement to release delay, which given the numbers don't seem to have changed, I cannot comprehend why they'd do.

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staticman2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder why my consumer Gemini app has Argon and 3.8 flash with a pro plan but so many people here don't have that.

Is the issue that consumers get it sooner or is the roll out random or locked to some other factor?

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mattlondon 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I have Carbon in my consumer Gemini too. I have a Google drive storage upgrade that I pay for that I assume is bundled with it - it's the only thing I can think of as I've certainly not gone out of my way to do anything special to get access (and so far, it is free for me to access it this way)

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antonvs an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

In one case I had to upgrade my Antigravity GUI to see new models, I guess because of an API change.

At the same time, the CLI saw the new models without any change. Possibly that was just because my CLI install was newer than the GUI one. (Edit: oh, it's because my CLI autoupdates. Autoupdates for the GUI on Linux in an AppImage is... messy.)

Edit: But in this case:

> Gemini 4 Carbon is available via the API in Google AI Studio and Gemini for business for all paying developers and enterprises

I.e. Seems to be API only right now.

	▲	p_l 36 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I found out when I opened Gemini app on phone and it showed Carbon Medium as default

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jack_pp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

considering how little you can use argon with pro, i guess carbon will be the same so why do you care?

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jeffbee 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it location specific? I have AI Pro plan and I have had Gemini 3.8 Flash for months, and I got Argon about two weeks ago in Antigravity, and now I also have Argon in the Gemini app.

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irthomasthomas an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

They just took 3.1 pro away from me while I was asking about Cami Clark and Epstein (for due-dilligince), lol. Now I have access to 3.6 Flash and 3.5 flash-light. So I canceled my sub. Shame. I used to love using antigravity when the allowance was good.